# The American Coup Fallout thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 20, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029 "2021-01-20T22:34:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/101 "2021-01-29T01:41:41Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Ann Coulter and Sarah Palin are other examples of “Cool Girl”… Those personages are anything but cool. In fact they are the living antithesis of cool. So much so, that if you wanted to define cool, you could point at either and say “just the opposite of them”. In fact if Palin ran into Tove Lo there’d be a explosion, like matter and anti-matter. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/102 "2021-01-29T01:47:36Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Those personages are anything but cool. In fact they are the living antithesis of cool. I’m not saying that I personally find Coulter, or Palin, or MandaJo’s other examples of Trump-supporting professional women “cool” in any complimentary way. But yes, [they fit the profile of the so-called “Conservative Cool Girl”](https://www.damemagazine.com/2016/09/08/what-hath-phyllis-schlafly-wrought/): > [@](#): > > Farrah Parker, former executive director for the Los Angeles Commission on the Status of Women, explains the appeal of Schlafly’s rhetoric, and its continuation through stand-bearers like Conway, Coulter, and Planned Parenthood abolitionist Laura Ingraham: “When you integrate voices like Schlafly and Coulter into national discussions, then those who have traditionally held power can validate their exclusionary actions by saying ‘See, even a woman agrees.’” These are the Conservative Cool Girls: They look like the kind of woman a red-blooded, red-necked, all-American man dreams of, as they tell him that everything he’s suspected is true—he’s losing his country and his place in the world, and it’s all the fault of those uppity women […] > > These women are like the alt-right wizards of Oz, presenting fairylands of classic Americana—a white-bread yellow-brick road where the good witch is a stay-at-home mom who derives all of her satisfaction from loving her children and pleasing her man, and the wicked witch wants abortion on demand and universal health care—while they benefit from the liberties wrought by the blood and bile of the feminists they so despise. Though Brazilian philosopher and educator Paulo Freire couldn’t have dreamt up Coulter, or her (lack of) soul-sister Sarah Palin, when he wrote his famous work, _Pedagogy of the Oppressed_ , he nonetheless described their ethos to a T: “Because of the example set by the oppressor, who is the possessor of power and wealth, the oppressed individual … tends to aspire to become more like the oppressor himself … an oppressed person who is promoted to any position of authority often tends to be actually more oppressive than the original taskmaster himself.” > > The Conservative Cool Girl offers other women a world in which the rapist is not that apple-cheeked boy on the swim team; he is a dark-skinned Other sneaking over the border, waiting in that alleyway with a brick in his hand. The terrorist is not the man who firebombs a women’s health clinic or releases a woman’s address online; he’s the man in the ISIS video who is coming to claim you and your daughters as his bride-slaves. And having reproductive choice isn’t about autonomy; it’s about letting a man get away with having his way with you. The Cool Girl is not like those other girls, the ones who get raped behind Dumpsters or beaten by their husbands, who live paycheck to paycheck or travel over state lines to get abortions; those girls got what they deserved for being too drunk or too mouthy, those girls should get a better job and learn to keep their legs closed. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/103 "2021-01-29T01:49:00Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > But yes, [they fit the profile of the so-called “Conservative Cool Girl”](https://www.damemagazine.com/2016/09/08/what-hath-phyllis-schlafly-wrought/): You left out that word. “Conservative”. But now we can add that to the list of oxymorons. “Conservative Cool Girl”. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/104 "2021-01-29T01:57:10Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You left out that word. “Conservative”. Well yeah, I figured it was pretty self-evident that people like Coulter and Palin are specifically conservative versions of the “Cool Girl” stereotype. You do know that [the “Cool Girl” stereotype](https://nofilmschool.com/cool-girl-character-tropes) is a specific (and not ultimately an entirely positive or flattering) concept that doesn’t just mean “a girl who is cool”, right? > [@](#): > > The cool girl is one of the guys. She’s the direct mirror to the male protagonists’ likes and dislikes within the world. She’s fun, raunchy, profane, and effortlessly hot. The most important aspect of a cool girl is that “she’s not like other girls.” […] > > The cool girl is a myth perpetuated by mostly male writers. It was called out and deconstructed by Gillian Flynn in her book and subsequent movie, _Gone Girl_. […] > > > [@](#): > > > > _Being the Cool Girl means I am a hot, brilliant, funny woman who adores football, poker, dirty jokes, and burping, who plays video games, drinks cheap beer, loves threesomes and anal sex, and jams hot dogs and hamburgers into her mouth like she’s hosting the world’s biggest culinary gang bang while somehow maintaining a size two, because Cool Girls are above all hot._ […] _Cool Girls never get angry; they only smile in a chagrined, loving manner and let their men do whatever they want. Go ahead, sh-t on me, I don’t mind, I’m the Cool Girl._ ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/105 "2021-01-29T03:03:40Z")
[https://swvatoday.com/news/national/article\_295172c7-e768-5e45-ab68-c86b87ab5aca.html](https://swvatoday.com/news/national/article_295172c7-e768-5e45-ab68-c86b87ab5aca.html) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/106 "2021-01-29T03:06:10Z")
He can’t testify dressed like that. Do you think he has a business set of horns? ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/107 "2021-01-29T07:33:39Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Man who wore horns at riot willing to speak at Trump’s trial Well, that should add to the gaiety of nations. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/108 "2021-01-29T14:25:38Z")
I’m imagining each horn in its own little 3 piece suit now. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/109 "2021-01-29T17:13:09Z")
[Cue the ramped up voter suppression efforts.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/arizona-gop-lawmaker-introduces-bill-give-legislature-power-toss-out-n1256097) The Republican majority state House in Arizona just introduced a bill that would give the state legislature the power to override the Secretary of State’s certification of election results. The bill may not go anywhere (note here: many of the states currently “considering” joining the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact are too reddish to ever pass it) but it’s yet another indication that the GOP is going all in on using the natural geographical advantages it owns to further enhance its chances at continuous minority rule. Our election systems remain a huge national problem. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/110 "2021-01-29T23:59:20Z")
Both houses of the AZ legislature have Republican majorities, but by the thinnest margins: 16-14 in the senate and 31-29 in the house. Of course, the AZ Republican party is headed by Trump wacko Kelli Ward, who would be making a lot more national headlines without the QAnon congresscritters hogging all the attention. Her first act was to censure Doug Ducey (governor), Cindy McCain, and Jeff Flake, so I’m not sure if she has influence over the whole Republican caucus. A few weeks back I had heard that there was a bill to eliminate the Permanent Early Ballot List (PEVL), meaning that you would need to request an early ballot for every election. This morning I heard that the current proposal is for automatic removal from the PEVL if you don’t vote in two successive election cycles. So at least some of the voter suppression efforts are getting watered down in AZ. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/111 "2021-01-30T04:28:48Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > This morning I heard that the current proposal is for automatic removal from the PEVL if you don’t vote in two successive election cycles. So at least some of the voter suppression efforts are getting watered down in AZ. I’m pretty sure this is actually how the CA permanent absentee voter system used to work. Miss two elections and you had to sign up again. Currently it is miss four elections and you have to sign up again. I think some limit, wherever you decide to put it, is reasonable (I’d say 3-4 is about right). No reason for the state to keep spending money to send you material if you are dropping out of the political process. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/112 "2021-01-30T07:31:57Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > I think some limit, wherever you decide to put it, is reasonable (I’d say 3-4 is about right). The number of elections depends on the local schedule. I have some sort of vote pretty much every year (in my permanent-registered-address location, as an overseas expat) due to levy renewals and other local issues coming up in between the House cycle. And every other year there’s two and sometimes three rounds of balloting with the primaries. If you count every one of those, it would be possible for me to vote for President, ignore the “minor” stuff in between, and then find I’d been removed from the PEVL list before the next Presidential election. I agree there should be a limit, but I’d put it more like, “if you didn’t vote in two successive Presidential races or any race in between.” Of course, as an overseas voter, I don’t have to deal with the hassle of a physical ballot. I vote by email. So I have the perfect balance of “convenient for me, cheap for my state.” ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/113 "2021-01-30T08:29:06Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > I agree there should be a limit, but I’d put it more like, “if you didn’t vote in two successive Presidential races or any race in between.” I think that’s perfectly reasonable. For me it works out to about the same standard - California by law currently only holds elections every other year, with the exception of special elections like recalls which IME are generally pretty rare. Also I’m not a primary voter at all (registered independent). So four CA elections for me pretty much carries me through an eight year span/two presidential runs. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/114 "2021-01-30T15:04:00Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > No reason for the state to keep spending money to send you material if you are dropping out of the political process. Not sure I agree with that, if you look at the whole concept of voting, a decision not to vote can also be political, it is arguable that a couple of Republican states had a lobby that included non-participation as part of the loony platform. If removing non-participants is on the agenda, they why isn’t compulsory voting also not the agenda? There are nations that require their electorate to vote on pain of a relatively small fine. Its interesting that the voter suppression states are doing their best to decrease voting rather than increase it - this speaks volumes. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/115 "2021-01-30T17:34:03Z")
There’s a point to be made in that white feminism has often competed with other civil rights movements. White women - even so-called independent women - have viewed themselves as whites first, women slightly second. It’s their status as a white woman that bestows upon them social, economic, and political privilege - they have to protect their whiteness first. This is why women’s suffrage groups clashed with black suffrage groups in the 19th Century, and it was ultimately white women who made civil rights gains before black men did. The fallout from that clash still exists even today. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/116 "2021-01-30T17:36:52Z")
Arizona is a case where the Republican party seems to be dying, owing to the fact that there’s an influx of Californians and progressives from other states. That won’t keep Republicans from becoming more extreme, though; they will double and triple down on it. They’ll use it to weave conspiracy theories that eventually justify authoritarianism and even terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/117 "2021-01-30T17:42:30Z")
I hope he testifies just like that - and that he yodels just like he did a few weeks ago. That would be priceless. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/118 "2021-01-30T18:33:50Z")
> [@squidfood](#): > > Asking the important question: what’s the name of this event going to be? The American Coup? The insurrection? The uncivil war? 1/6? (I hope not that last one). I said in a different thread that it should be called **_“The Epiphany”_.** First, January 6 is already called that (it’s Twelfth Night–the 12th day of Christmas), and second, that day was an epiphany in that it was clearly revealed to everyone that there are many knuckle-dragging evil-doers amongst us. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/119 "2021-01-30T18:38:23Z")
Nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029/120 "2021-01-30T18:44:00Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I’m still going with Cuckoo Coup. It doesn’t scan that well in writing, but it’s fun to say out loud. Try _Koo-Koo Coup_ or maybe _Koo Koo Koup_ for that alliterative racist touch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-coup-fallout-thread/931029.md?page=7)