# The American Talibans... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 20, 2005, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048 "2005-06-20T14:09:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Rashak\_Mani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@Rashak\_Mani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rashak_Mani)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/41 "2005-06-20T19:21:29Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > A strict interpretation of the SDMB membership agreement would seem to proscribe such posts as Rashak Mani (and others) repeatedly contributes. Well it seems UncleBeer’s decided to pick on my OPs today… and demands there should be a reason for my threads. Firstly I thought the BBQ pit was for BBQing and ranting away. So no reason needed right ? I thought both were authentic pieces of American right wing christian lunacy. (Naturally not being representative of the whole nation) I thought they spoke for themselves… but if you want someone to explain to you why they might be scary feel free. Secondly your “strict” interpretation of the SDMB is plain silly… since I don’t know for a fact that the quotes are false. I sure recognized more than a few as ancient and authentic. None of them seem made up. I’d be happy to learn that most of them weren’t true at all and that there aren’t that many raging armageddon nuts in the most powerful country in the world. If you can provide enough links with quotes from these christian celebrities where no such quotes exist I will apologize for slandering their good christian names… I certainly don’t think these quotes seem fakes. Even if naturally some might be “out of context”. Now if all you want is to pick on me for no good reason … please waste your time elsewhere kiddo. No Thanks. ``` Rashak Mani ``` ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/42 "2005-06-20T19:21:58Z")
Holy fuck! There are right wing nutcases out there! Alert the media! Thank god there are no liberal nutcases out there who felt that 9/11 was a good thing, right? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/43 "2005-06-20T19:23:16Z")
> [@Mehitabel](#): > > Hmmmmph. I’ve heard the second quote, Bailey Smith’s, attributed twenty years ago to Jesse Jackson. I found [this](http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_othe2.htm) > [@](#): > > A former SBC president and founding father of the Christian Coalition, The Rev. Bailey Smith, said, at the 1987 Southern Baptist Convention general meeting, “God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew.” He was given a standing ovation. In 1994-JUN-24, during a talk before 15,000 people at a Religious Roundtable meeting in Dallas TX, he said: “With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew.” 13 sourced to [this](http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/pat_quotes/) anti-Pat Robertson web site which states: > [@](#): > > Petersburg Times, June 26, 1994; Bailey Smith, a founding father of Robertson’s Christian Coalition, once told 15,000 people at a Religious Roundtable briefing in Dallas, “With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew.” > [@Mehitabel](#): > > And Joe McCarthy has been dead for decades, something which you’d think the site might bother to point out. I dreamed I saw Joe Mac last night, Alive as you and me. But Joe, I said, you’re decades dead, I never died, said he. His ideas live on; it would be nice not to have to go through that again. A lot of those quotes are accurate and relevant; I’m by no means going to say that all of them are. Sourcing would be nice, so I didn’t have to spend half an hour trying to find out if Bailey Smith really said that. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/44 "2005-06-20T19:26:10Z")
Well, then, perhaps you should take the appropriate steps, if you think you have a case. Frankly, I don’t think that you do, but am perfectly content to let the matter rest with our Mods, who’s clarity and excellence are peerless, and universally admired. As to friend **Askeptic** s concern about the government entirely in the hands of the theologically impaired, he has ample basis for dread. But while it is true that the Pubbies have a (tenuous) grip on the reins of power, that is not the same thing. The Pubbies exploit the God Goons to their own ends. They would also be entirely happy to have everybody on the lefty spectrum from me to friend **Reeder** resolve to vote Republican, but that doesn’t mean they will press our agenda. Imagine, if you will, that the Faith Biased Initiiatives go forward, say, to the tune of a couple hundred million dollars to be dispersed to the Godly. There will be no lack of volunteers to decide precisely how the honey shall be dispensed, you may be sure. How much for the Unitarians? How much for the Scientologists? The Nation of Islam has a long standing, faith based outreach program in our prisons. On what basis might we deny them funding? ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/45 "2005-06-20T19:26:17Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > And **Eyer** , just ignore **askeptic**. He gets off on being a dick. Cite, please. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/46 "2005-06-20T19:32:03Z")
So, can we just get the green light to dismantle all soccer stadiums in the U.S. now? Either way, it’s a win-win situation. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Iskander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/db5fbb/32.png) [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/47 "2005-06-20T19:53:33Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > **New Iskander** :Oh, I got it. Here, I’ll give it a try. [Jesus built my hotrod.](http://www.hfmgv.org/exhibits/showroom/1908/model.t.html) In the spirit of bi-partisan sweet concord and good will on Earth, allow me to humbly parse the words of a master. > [@](#): > > … **these** people are really only concerned that **we** Americans are permitted to worship God in any manner **they** choose. Shall we share credit for this one, **e**? Here’s my hand, spit in it! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/48 "2005-06-20T19:55:06Z")
> [@John Corrado](#): > > Holy fuck! There are right wing nutcases out there! Alert the media! > > Thank god there are no liberal nutcases out there who felt that 9/11 was a good thing, right? I can name two right wing nutcases who seemed pretty happy about it - until they saw the backlash it caused. - Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. For what it’s worth, I was already familiar with some of the quotes on the OP’s web site - they have been cross referenced and substantiated by many people. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/49 "2005-06-20T20:02:25Z")
> [@New Iskander](#): > > In the spirit of bi-partisan sweet concord and good will on Earth, allow me to humbly parse the words of a master. > > Shall we share credit for this one, **e**? Here’s my hand, spit in it! Well, precious bodily fluids… ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/50 "2005-06-20T20:04:42Z")
The quote from Duhbya “God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.” Is most likely false. To my knoweldge, the only source for this claim was Abbas… and no matter how stupid, venal, or corrupt that chimp is, I just don’t buy that he was quite _that_ stupid. I think it’s propaganda. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/51 "2005-06-20T20:14:35Z")
From[Common Dreams](http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0630-04.htm) > [@](#): > > Did God tell George W. Bush to strike at Al-Qaeda and Iraq? God only knows. Did Bush SAY that God told him to strike? We don’t know yet, for sure. But we damn well better find out. Because if George W. said it, he-and all of us-could be in for some big trouble… > > Before you jump to any conclusions, remember that you are reading a translation of a translation of a translation. Mahmoud Abas does not speak English. Bush does not speak Arabic. If Bush said these words, or something like them, Abas heard them from a translator. Then Abas repeated them, as he remembered them a couple of weeks later, in Arabic. Some unknown person wrote down what he thought he heard Abas say. Then Regular, or someone at Ha’aretz, translated them back into English-or perhaps first into Hebrew and then into English. So we don’t know. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t. But I think it quite the stretch to state that posting a link to a site that includes the post constitutes knowingly posting material known to be false. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/52 "2005-06-20T20:14:56Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Cite, please. Seemed pretty obvious to me that you were jumping on him for no reason. But, just to appease you: I’ll rephrase" “It is just my opinion that askeptic gets off on being a dick.” Better? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/53 "2005-06-20T20:17:11Z")
He may be that stupid, or just “disassembling”. But Karl Rove isn’t that stupid. Don’t matter how dumb Pinnochio is, matters how dumb Geppeto is. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/54 "2005-06-20T20:20:56Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > I’m not much of one for bashing Republicans or Democrats, but thr Christian right in this country is scary. > > Every day, I get a little more convinced that someday, someone is going to write a memoir about this era in American history that opens with, “In retrospect, none of us should have been surprised at what happened. The signs were all there for years before.” “At first, we thought they were just another snake cult …” –Conan the Barbarian ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/55 "2005-06-20T20:21:25Z")
> [@Rashak Mani](#): > > I thought both were authentic pieces of American right wing christian lunacy. (Naturally not being representative of the whole nation) I thought they spoke for themselves… but if you want someone to explain to you why they might be scary feel free. While **Rashak Mani** is hot on the trail of scary “right wing christian lunacy”, he might want to ponder this gem of a quote from [a recent GD thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?&t=310804) on reasons for hating Jews: > [@](#): > > Jews stick out like a sore thumb and have lots of money… Source of that fine insight - why, **Rashak** himself. He was asked to explain himself and never did. How about it? ---
**Author:** ![Campion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@Campion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Campion)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/56 "2005-06-20T20:21:26Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Here is the cite for the most influential asshat: [http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=472&invol=38](http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=472&invol=38) > > When the CJ of SCOTUS says things like this we should all worry. Thanks for the citation. It is quite helpful, because it demonstrates the danger of taking quotations out of context. For example, consider one who read only the OP, and saw the following: > [@Justice Rehnquist](#): > > The ‘wall of separation between church and state’ is a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned. (N.B.: the OP inaccurately attributes the quotation to “Chief Justice William Rehnquist” rather than to Justice Rehnquist.) One reading only that quotation might assume that Justice Rehnquist was arguing for the abolition of the First Amendment. By posting a link to the case from which this quotation is lifted, we are all able to see that Justice Rehnquist’s dissent emphatically does not call for the abolition of the Establishment Clause. Rather, Justice Rehnquist reviewed and critiqued the history of the Court’s Establishment Clause jurisprudence, and roundly criticized the concept of a “wall of separation between church and state” as a nonsensical test impossible to apply, and one that does not accurately describe the nature of the Establishment Clause. So thank you for posting a link to the case, so that we all might consider the danger inherent in taking purported quotations out of context. I commend you for the work you have done today in fighting igorance. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/57 "2005-06-20T21:05:04Z")
> [@Rashak Mani](#): > > Now if all you want is to pick on me for no good reason … please waste your time elsewhere kiddo. No Thanks. How bout I pick on you for what seems to me to be **good reason**? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/58 "2005-06-20T21:30:30Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > . He was asked to explain himself and never did. > How about it? What the **fuck?** I think the we deserve an explenation for that little turn of phrase. I hope it was simply a very poorly crafted bit of sarcasm, but if not I think that a new Pit thread should be opened. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2005, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/59 "2005-06-20T21:33:22Z")
Just to clarify, I think **Rashak** owes us an explenation, not **Jack** , Sorry for any confusion. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2005, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048/60 "2005-06-21T10:51:51Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Lib, this won’t end well for you. Here is a thread about what some rightwingwhackjobs may or may not be saying and you chime in with “Oh well look what Hillary said”. Or did I missunderstand you and you are saying that you agree with Hillary? If so then I agree with you and apologize in advance. Apology accepted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-american-talibans/309048.md?page=4)