# The Andrew Yang Presidential Campaign thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [February 14, 2019, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555 "2019-02-14T21:16:10Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/561 "2020-01-07T00:42:29Z")
Twitter candidate supporters with a non-scientific Twitter poll about his Twitter candidacy.
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#):
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> I think his fan club sucks goat ass.
Bears repeating.
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### Author:  [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/562 "2020-01-07T00:44:32Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#):
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> I’d like to see Yang continue on the debate stage so that the other candidates will start to ripping off some of his ideas.
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> I particularly like his approach to Trump voters. Don’t just call them racists and wash your hands of them. Ask yourself what would cause so many americans to vote for someone like trump and continue to support someone like trump and try to answer the question without assuming or concluding that they are bad people.
Well, it’s not surprising Yang feels that way since he draws support from the fringes of Trump country. From earlier in the thread:
> [@DavidChou](#):
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> And for those who question Yang’s “electability,” I’d like to note this: I didn’t think he was electable at first due to him being 1) Chinese and his 2) U.B.I. proposal which was gonna be just more red-bait.
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> But I became a true believer just five days ago (and have been researching this guy and U.B.I. since then [that’s how I found out about this forum and this thread]) when I noticed that in the YouTube comments even Trump supporters and, especially, white supremacists were saying they were supporting him for President – all because of U.B.I.!!.
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/563 "2020-01-07T03:19:58Z")
It’s interesting to see Ron Paul’s name mentioned on this thread. Back in June, I made an analogy between Andrew Yang’s candidacy and Ron Paul’s.
[https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21708726&postcount=16](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21708726&postcount=16)
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> Andrew Yang might be the Ron Paul of the Democratic primary. Little chance of winning but definitely capable of getting attention.
It’s easier to run as a fringe candidate and stay in the race longer these days. Like others, I tend to view Yang’s candidacy as a distraction. I don’t want to see his name mentioned past the end of January. Enough people have seen his talking points, but this race, this election is too serious for candidates that aren’t ready to govern on day one.
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### Author:  [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/564 "2020-01-07T05:14:49Z")
Beat you to it, **asahi** …from March 11 of 2019 _and in this very thread_.
> [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](#):
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> Reading through (part of) this very long thread confirms my belief that Andrew Yang is the Ron Paul of the 2020 Democratic primaries—loved, even venerated, by a few, and ignored by the many.
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21536158&postcount=311](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21536158&postcount=311)
Not that I’m competitive or anything 🙂
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/565 "2020-01-07T16:12:49Z")
> [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](#):
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> Yang’s response, in part: "“My campaign submitted nearly three times the amount of signatures needed, virtually ensuring I would be on the ballot in Ohio. Nevertheless, because of a bureaucratic paperwork issue caused by **an awkwardly-worded law** , nearly 3,000 Ohioans’ First Amendment rights have been denied. **As a non-politician, it’s unfathomable that this could happen…** ”
This, right here, is what I find unlikeable about Yang, and about “outsiders” in general.
He IS a politician. He’s running for President, and to say “I’m not a politician” is either amazingly stupid or amazingly dishonest. Ulf nails it; if Yang wants to be a politician, and that is what he is implicitly saying, then he needs to make politics his business. And if politics is your business, you know the rules.
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/566 "2020-01-07T19:48:25Z")
> [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](#):
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> Beat you to it, **asahi** …from March 11 of 2019 _and in this very thread_.
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> [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21536158&postcount=311](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21536158&postcount=311)
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> Not that I’m competitive or anything 🙂
Well, I thought about it first.😉
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/567 "2020-01-07T19:50:35Z")
> [@RickJay](#):
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> This, right here, is what I find unlikeable about Yang, and about “outsiders” in general.
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> He IS a politician. He’s running for President, and to say “I’m not a politician” is either amazingly stupid or amazingly dishonest. Ulf nails it; if Yang wants to be a politician, and that is what he is implicitly saying, then he needs to make politics his business. And if politics is your business, you know the rules.
Moreover, if you’re going to apply for the job of president, you have to know that your job is to surround yourself with people who are competent in things like law and administration. If Yang can’t even get his name on the ballot, and if he can’t hire people who can make that happen, then that’s not really sending the right message.
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### Author:  [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/568 "2020-01-07T20:38:48Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#):
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> Twitter candidate supporters with a non-scientific Twitter poll about his Twitter candidacy.Bears repeating.
Who knows … maybe the Yang Gang is the new Peanut Brigade !
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### Author:  [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)
#### Post date: [January 7, 2020, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/569 "2020-01-07T20:46:13Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#):
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> Twitter candidate supporters with a non-scientific Twitter poll about his Twitter candidacy.Bears repeating.
Bears too?
Seriously, I first ran into the UBI concept in the SF writings of Mack Reynolds and he died in 1983.
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### Author:  [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/570 "2020-01-18T18:31:43Z")
His wife was sexually assaulted while pregnant , guy assaulted other women but he served no time
> **[Evelyn Yang was assured justice. Here's how the doctor she says assaulted her...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/17/politics/evelyn-yang-doctor-sexual-assault-manhattan-da-vance/index.html)**
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> Evelyn Yang's revelation that she was sexually assaulted by her OB-GYN has renewed national focus on a sweetheart plea deal between the Manhattan's DA and her former doctor. 15 women have come forward with similar allegations since Yang spoke out
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### Author:  [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)
#### Post date: [January 25, 2020, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/571 "2020-01-25T12:34:24Z")
He is up to 8% in one poll. If Trump wins this year I think Yang has a good shot at being Dem nominee in 2024. He’s young enough he could run in 2028 should a Dem win this year. I bought his book I will let you know about it in a week or so.
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### Author:  [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)
#### Post date: [January 26, 2020, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/572 "2020-01-26T13:40:08Z")
He made the Feb. 7th debate in NH
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### Author:  [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)
#### Post date: [January 26, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/573 "2020-01-26T17:37:22Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#):
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> He made the Feb. 7th debate in NH
God damn it! Tired of his cult and Yang being the Ben Carson, running only to sell books and increase his value on the speaking circuit
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### Author:  [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)
#### Post date: [January 26, 2020, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/574 "2020-01-26T18:17:39Z")
Yang has succeeded in getting more name recognition and support than I think even he thought was remotely likely to occur and kudos to him for that.
OTOH I think he has completely failed to accomplish what I believe was his actual main goal in running. He knew and knows he has no chance of being the nominee; he was hoping to shoehorn universal basic income in as part of the debate, a bigger part of the discussion, to get other candidates with better chances of winning to take it up. And that discussion has just not caught on. Warren had at one point said it was worth considering but her wealth tax is where her discussion is at, but that is it. Biden, Sanders, and even Buttigieg have either not taken it up or explicitly come out against it, and it has not caught on as a subject of interest in general.
My WAG is that awareness of the UBI concept is pretty flat since the first debate and that net unfavorability of it is also unchanged. His likable style has won some new supporters, but the idea that he means to promote has just been a lead balloon. Rightfully so mind you.
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### Author:  [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)
#### Post date: [January 26, 2020, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/575 "2020-01-26T18:44:57Z")
> [@DSeid](#):
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> Yang has succeeded in getting more name recognition and support than I think even he thought was remotely likely to occur and kudos to him for that.
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> OTOH I think he has completely failed to accomplish what I believe was his actual main goal in running. He knew and knows he has no chance of being the nominee; he was hoping to shoehorn universal basic income in as part of the debate, a bigger part of the discussion, to get other candidates with better chances of winning to take it up. And that discussion has just not caught on. Warren had at one point said it was worth considering but her wealth tax is where her discussion is at, but that is it. Biden, Sanders, and even Buttigieg have either not taken it up or explicitly come out against it, and it has not caught on as a subject of interest in general.
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> My WAG is that awareness of the UBI concept is pretty flat since the first debate and that net unfavorability of it is also unchanged. His likable style has won some new supporters, but the idea that he means to promote has just been a lead balloon. Rightfully so mind you.
I do agree and that’s a good point. Whether Yang likes it or not, the change and radical new idea faction of the party is consumed with populist anger over the financial crisis (even ten years later) college debt, and health care.
If Yang wants to make UBI part of the party discussion, he should hit the college speaking circuit hard over the next
couple of years. Nothing stays the same in politics and I don’t know what the issues will be in 2022 and 2024, but I don’t think big banks/Wall Street will have the same pitchforks and torches appeal. College debt relief and affordable college will be an issue, I think, but they’ll be other new approaches thrown out as straight canceling of debt and universal free college is gonna be a very tough sell.
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### Author:  [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)
#### Post date: [January 27, 2020, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/576 "2020-01-27T01:02:14Z")
People hate Yang because of his followers? Makes no sense at all
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### Author:  [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)
#### Post date: [January 27, 2020, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/577 "2020-01-27T02:31:11Z")
Makes plenty of sense to me.
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### Author:  [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)
#### Post date: [January 27, 2020, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/578 "2020-01-27T02:43:47Z")
Is he supposed to disown his fans? I don’t think they are doing anything illegal are they? He may stick around for super Tuesday but I doubt he stays longer than that.
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### Author:  [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)
#### Post date: [January 27, 2020, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/579 "2020-01-27T05:08:25Z")
> [@DSeid](#):
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> My WAG is that awareness of the UBI concept is pretty flat since the first debate and that net unfavorability of it is also unchanged. His likable style has won some new supporters, but the idea that he means to promote has just been a lead balloon. Rightfully so mind you.
Krystal Ball [tweet](https://twitter.com/krystalball/status/1221615618782306305) from 1/26/20:
> [@Krystal Ball from The Hill](#):
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> This is actually crazy. @AndrewYang has moved the needle an insane amount on this.
From the latest [Emerson poll](https://twitter.com/EmersonPolling/status/1221614358435901440), from 1/23-26/20 favorabilty of UBI is at 53%.
> [@](#):
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> [Emerson College Polling/@7News Iowa Poll:](https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/iowa-2020-sanders-solidifies-frontrunner-status-in-iowa-while-klobuchar-nears-viability)
> Would you be supportive of a Universal Basic Income of $1000 a month?
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> 53% yes
> 30% no
> 17% unsure
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> The majority of voters, 53%, support candidate Andrew Yang’s signature policy of Universal Basic Income of $1000 a month for all U.S. citizens over the age of 18. This contrasts to 30% who do not support the plan and 17% who are unsure. Those 18-29 years old are the most likely to support this policy, with 83% of support. A majority (61%) of those 30-49 years support UBI, while only 45% of those 50-64, and 32% of those 65 and older support the policy.
That’s up from 48% favorable/52% unfavorable in a [Gallup poll](https://thehill.com/policy/technology/375587-gallup-poll-americans-split-on-giving-a-universal-basic-income-to-workers) in 2/18. Or up from 43% in a another [Gallup poll](https://news.gallup.com/poll/267143/universal-basic-income-favored-canada-not.aspx) comparing other countries in June 2019. Or up from 49% favorable/ 52% unfavorable in a The Hill/HarrisX poll in September 2019. In [the video](https://youtu.be/nQOJgdm8Llo?t=96), they reported an increase from February 2019 which showed a 43% favorability with the same question.
Yang says that their internal polling shows UBI favorability at 61%.
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### Author:  [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)
#### Post date: [January 27, 2020, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-andrew-yang-presidential-campaign-thread/829555/580 "2020-01-27T05:38:33Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#):
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> That’s up from 48% favorable/52% unfavorable in a [Gallup poll](https://thehill.com/policy/technology/375587-gallup-poll-americans-split-on-giving-a-universal-basic-income-to-workers) in 2/18. Or up from 43% in a another [Gallup poll](https://news.gallup.com/poll/267143/universal-basic-income-favored-canada-not.aspx) comparing other countries in June 2019. Or up from 49% favorable/ 52% unfavorable in a The Hill/HarrisX poll in September 2019. In [the video](https://youtu.be/nQOJgdm8Llo?t=96), they reported an increase from February 2019 which showed a 43% favorability with the same question.
Looking back at the data, these polls are not exactly an apples to apples match to the Emerson poll. The Emerson poll included registered Democrats and Independents. The Gallup polls included Republicans. The HarrisX poll is unclear. Since I couldn’t find any other UBI poll that matched the data set exactly, these are guideposts for reference.
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