# The anti-Trump resistance has become exhausted **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [February 20, 2024, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846 "2024-02-20T19:02:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/101 "2024-02-23T14:25:33Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Just a quick note to say that I heard fundraising figures last night (or this morning, it all runs together): Biden raised 56 million in January to Trump’s 30 million. It was also noted that Trump has lost 200,000 donors since this time in 2020. And then there’s this nice bit from the Schadenfreude thread. > [@A Perfectly Reasonable Amount of Schadenfreude about Things Happening to Trump & His Enablers (Part 2)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-perfectly-reasonable-amount-of-schadenfreude-about-things-happening-to-trump-his-enablers-part-2/984250/4375): > > Sparse attendance at CPAC this year. Who is it who is “exhausted”? ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/102 "2024-02-23T16:44:11Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Who is it who is “exhausted”? Woo hoo! Seriously, I’ve had a completely unsupported hunch that the Trump tribe must be getting a little tired of the watching the same old movie over and over. Yes, the hardcore subset will follow him over the cliff. But there has to be some material percentage of the “faithful” who’d prefer a little peace and quiet. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/103 "2024-02-23T19:36:04Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > Seriously, I’ve had a completely unsupported hunch that the Trump tribe must be getting a little tired of the watching the same old movie over and over. Yes, the hardcore subset will follow him over the cliff. But there has to be some material percentage of the “faithful” who’d prefer a little peace and quiet. I imagine some of them have got to be tired of all the losing. Watching Trump lose time and time again in his various court cases, watching all the money they sent to Trump for re-election being thrown into the gaping maw that are his personal legal fees, etc., etc. Their feet ought to be wet by now because Trump is swamping their boat threatning to take everyone down with him. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/104 "2024-02-23T19:37:56Z")
For some of them, the sunk cost fallacy must be wearing very thin indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/105 "2024-02-23T19:42:15Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Their feet ought to be wet by now because Trump is swamping their boat threatning to take everyone down with him. Yep. Talk about exhausting. We hear Trump say something stupid like “cofefe”, and we just think, “Man, that guy is stupid”, and move on with our day. But the MAGAts? They have to tie themselves in knots trying to convince themselves that he’s _not_ an idiot, that this is actually some kind of five-dimensional chess move that _everyone else_ is too stupid to understand. And then there’s never any pay-off. The never get The Big Reveal where Trump explains how “cofefe” actually prevented WW3, or whatever. He just moves on to the next stupid thing, and they have to do it all over again. Maintaining that kind of cognitive dissonance in the face of everything they see with their own eyes must be exhausting. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/106 "2024-02-23T20:15:02Z")
Yeah they’ve been explaining what he “really meant” for all the crazy stuff he says for nigh on a decade now. For someone who they claim “says it like it is”, he sure has a hard time being clear about what he really means. It must be exhausting. Reality keeps punching them in the face and the conspiracy against Trump has grown to the vast majority of the human race at this point. Literally everyone who isn’t hardcore MAGA is in on it now, it seems. That kind of thing must be really hard to maintain psychologically. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/107 "2024-02-23T20:56:05Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I imagine some of them have got to be tired of all the losing. Yes! At some point doesn’t the shine wear off of the invincible, omnipotent strong man if he _keeps fucking losing_? I posted this somewhere, that if every time he loses he recites his greatest hits (“They cheated!” “It was rigged!” “The Deep State!”), doesn’t that get tired to the peanut gallery? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/108 "2024-02-23T21:30:28Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Just a quick note to say that I heard fundraising figures last night (or this morning, it all runs together): Biden raised 56 million in January to Trump’s 30 million. It was also noted that Trump has lost 200,000 donors since this time in 2020. Okay. If I’m wrong, I’m glad to be wrong about that. I do think fatigue has depressed these figures from what they could have been. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/109 "2024-02-25T20:18:07Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > NYT on Nov 6: > > Biden 348 Trump 190: How this imperils the Democratic presidential campaign I have an NYT account, but the article seems to be gone. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/110 "2024-02-26T01:42:19Z")
Well stated! ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/111 "2024-02-26T01:50:32Z")
I couldn’t get past the paywall to read, but it sounds like more horse race-fluffing shyte from a paper I absolutely have no respect for in the first place. Currently, I am more enraged with the enablers (the entire GOP) than with Trump, who is clearly melting down before our eyes. They are not going to win; in fact, they are going to lose so hard it hurts forever. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/112 "2024-02-26T02:00:11Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > I couldn’t get past the paywall to read, but it sounds like more horse race-fluffing shyte from a paper I absolutely have no respect for in the first place. What is this in response to? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/113 "2024-02-26T02:07:32Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > What is this in response to Probably the referenced NY Times article. But yes, been hearing and reading a lot around that does seem to have a certain odd fatalism that somehow we are doomed if something _exciting_ doesn’t happen soon. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/114 "2024-02-26T02:12:11Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > > [@bordelond](#): > > > > What is this in response to > > Probably the referenced NY Times article. @Gorsnak would have to confirm, but I understood that “article” to be tongue-in-cheek — that even if Biden smoked Trump in the general, the “liberal media” would _still_ spin it as “_Biden’s in trouble!!!_”. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/115 "2024-02-26T04:43:34Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Just a quick note to say that I heard fundraising figures last night (or this morning, it all runs together): Biden raised 56 million in January to Trump’s 30 million. Sounds like 2016, when Trump won while Clinton outspent him by almost 2 - 1. It depends on specifics of how a campaign is set up, but [political consultants often get a percentage of the advertising buy](https://prospect.org/power/political-consulting-became-multibillion-dollar-racket/). Do they sincerely think all that spending helps the candidate? Yes. As Upton Sinclair famously said, [It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.](https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/11/30/salary/?amp=1) Ads won’t change my vote here, but, in the past, I have voted against candidates because I disliked their negative advertising. When Biden advertises, he is reminding Trump voters to vote, and vice-versa. Compare and contrast to Coke and Pepsi ads. Pepsi ads have the side-effect of reminding people to buy competitor colas. This side effect doesn’t hurt Pepsi — all they reasonably care about is their own sales. So Pepsi marketing makes sense. By contrast, political campaign spending can easily backfire. P.S. Another way campaign spending hurts is that the candidates make gaffes during fund-raising speeches — remember the deplorables. P.P.S. Relevance to the thread is that if solid Biden voters become less militantly anti-Trump, that’s harmless to Joe’s chances. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/116 "2024-02-26T05:04:30Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > When Biden advertises, he is reminding Trump voters to vote, and vice-versa. Why do you assume Biden will spend his funds on advertising? Phone banking, door knocking and letter writing campaigns are far more effective. Biden knows this. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/117 "2024-02-26T06:04:13Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Why do you assume Biden will spend his funds on advertising? Phone banking, door knocking and letter writing campaigns are far more effective. Biden knows this. Here’s [a link shooting down your idea regarding Biden’s spending priorities](https://www.axios.com/2023/11/15/biden-early-advertising-campaign-2024). But my link could be wrong. I know little about political phone banking and door knocking, and nothing about letter writing campaigns. Of the three, the last one sounds least annoying to the targets — although I have no idea how campaigns spend money on it. Articles I have read on campaign spending effectiveness, [like this one](https://www.jstor.org/stable/2138764), do not break down by type of spending. I’m wondering about the phrase “far more effective” in your post. I’m not telling you what to post, but I do wonder about whether such a claim has data behind it. The big problem I see with direct voter contact is training. The first part might be active listening — itself hard to train. And when active listening elicits, from low information voters, some belief or priority that isn’t congruent with Biden’s positioning, what then? Alternately, you can just ask if they plan to vote for Joe, and help to do so if told yes. This has been done in the past and should be done again. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/118 "2024-02-26T08:26:45Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Alternately, you can just ask if they plan to vote for Joe, and help to do so if told yes. When I was an activist, it was always drummed into us that you don’t waste time trying to convert the opposition, you’re trying to identify firm supporters (to be reminded to turn out) and undecideds (in case they can be persuaded later). Each of those would (in a sufficiently well-resourced campaign) have a separate follow-up operation. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/119 "2024-02-26T14:26:20Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > would have to confirm, but I understood that “article” to be tongue-in-cheek — that even if Biden smoked Trump in the general, the “liberal media” would _still_ spin it as “_Biden’s in trouble!!!_”. “Has Biden’s record landslide victory created expectations that he won’t be able to live up to?” ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846/120 "2024-02-26T14:42:06Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Has Biden’s record landslide victory created expectations that he won’t be able to live up to? TBF they’d ask that of **any** Democrat who won the election. Liberal-chattering-class pessimism is quite something. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-anti-trump-resistance-has-become-exhausted/997846.md?page=7)