# The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 25, 2013, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949 "2013-03-25T21:15:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/301 "2013-03-28T20:41:15Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > It appears he’s also a 9/11 truther and a Holocaust denier. So, he’s no garden variety dumbfuck, but a Level 10 Grand Wizard Troll Fucker. I feel so…honored. ---
**Author:** ![Sid\_Snot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@Sid\_Snot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sid_Snot)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/302 "2013-03-28T20:42:40Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > There’s a **Cosmored** on YouTube which I assume is our friend here. > > [http://www.youtube.com/user/Cosmored](http://www.youtube.com/user/Cosmored) > > It appears he’s also a 9/11 truther and a Holocaust denier. There’s also a Cosmored2/Cosmored3/Fatfreddy88 his other youtube handles spreading that same crap. He spends hours on end posting the same link onto hundreds of videos. Go and look at the feed from his userids. A nutcase. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/303 "2013-03-28T20:45:41Z")
He’s probably a paid shill for YouTube. ---
**Author:** ![dzeiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/46a35a/32.png) [@dzeiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dzeiger)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/304 "2013-03-28T20:48:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, I’m basing my “opinion” on science, dumbfuck- this is the field of my degree. Yeah, but that degree was based on textbooks, and the information in those textbooks could have been faked! Oh, and sure, maybe you did some labs or something that seemed to confirm was was written, but who knows what technology the government might have to be able to fake things and make it all match up. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/305 "2013-03-28T20:53:23Z")
> [@Cosmored](#): > > (from post #260) > > Please tell us how you’re in a position to know what kind of classified technology they had then. Yeah! That’s right! Hell, for all we know that may have had the technology to go to the Moon! ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/306 "2013-03-28T21:07:54Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > So, he’s no garden variety dumbfuck, but a Level 10 Grand Wizard Troll Fucker. > > I feel so…honored. I like **weapons grade** , personally. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/307 "2013-03-28T21:08:46Z")
> [@Cosmored](#): > > You’re basing your opinion on what you read in the mainstream. Go back and read this again. > [http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487&page=37&p=4731597&viewfull=1#post4731597](http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487&page=37&p=4731597&viewfull=1#post4731597) > > He’s referring to this which is from post #1. > > To be sure that the above was taken out-of-context we’d have to have a video of this guy talking. Until then, we can’t be sure. > > The only people who know for sure what the nature and levels of space radiation are are people with high security clearances who have access to the data collected by space probes. The rest of us only have what governments make public which can’t be varified without sending up a space probe. > (see first link in the post) From the link:\*21-Radiation above low earth orbit is so intense it will fry a human being who is exposed to it for even a short time. and 22- All the data concerning that radiation is faked, showing that radiation levels are low enough for a human to survive. and 23- Everybody who has designed electronics for satellites that uses this faked data didn’t notice that their equipment was failing at much higher rates than it should have.\* Although I do not design electronics, I have specified radiation environments for upper stage launch and space vehicles and compared them to component specifications. I can assure you that not only if the radiation environment were significantly above the specification it would cause a catastrophic increase in failures, an ionizing radiation level “so intense it will fry a human being who is exposed to it for even a short time” would be unsurvivable for unshielded electronics and transmitters, and ultimately even radiation hardening and fault tolerance would not protect avionics for the years-long durations that telecommunication, photographic, and Global Positioning System satellites operate for due to the cumulative effects. And any “faked data” on radiation rates would be noticed immediately by anyone operating a telecommunications satellite, as monitoring and asynchronous error correction for single event upsets is crucial for maintaining good signal throughput. Posting a bunch of links from [YouTube.com](http://YouTube.com) and other conspiracy sites from around the Internet does not bolster your complete lack of understanding of the actually space environment and how spacecraft or people interact with it. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/308 "2013-03-28T21:13:42Z")
Can we combine this waste of internet thread with the “ask the conspiracy theorist” thread and then lock them both? ---
**Author:** ![Cosmored](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bcef8e/32.png) [@Cosmored](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cosmored)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/309 "2013-03-28T21:17:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Cosmored > The video you posted was made by BetaMax who is a known shill. > > * * * > > You gigantic turnip. Your whole case is blown out of the toilet and your defense is to label someone as a shill. You had your sorry butt kicked. According to you, everybody who disagrees with you is a shill. The reality is that you are a moronic fool who has a mental illness going back 5 years. It beggars belief that you post the same shit on every forum you come across. > > Elaborate please on this “known shill”. Evidence of this? People can read the debate for themselves and decide who looked silly and who didn’t. [http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/211182-man-has-landed-moon-july-20-1969-sir-questions-sir-12.html#post4767755](http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/211182-man-has-landed-moon-july-20-1969-sir-questions-sir-12.html#post4767755) Shills are capable of saying some pretty lame things with authoritative patronizing attitudes. They have the attitude that they’re winning the whole time they’re losing. ## [JOKIJP : Situs Penyedia Slot Demo Gratis Terpercaya & Pasti JP Maxwin X5000](http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222) (excerpt) 1. An odd kind of “artificial” emotionalism and an unusually thick skin – an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and non-acceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their presentation. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the “image” and are hot and cold with respect to emotions they pretend to have and the more calm or normal communications which are not emotional. It’s just a job, and they often seem unable to “act their role in type” as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later – an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game – where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth. * * * As you can see in that debate, he maintained that the Chinese spacewalk was real. The proof that it was faked is so clear that it makes a good shill-detector. You seem to maintain that it was real so you are a shill too. Another tactic shills use is to misrepresent what happens in a debate to mislead those viewers who don’t take the time to read it. Anyone who reads that debate will see that he didn’t even believe his own arguments. Anyone who looks at the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked and then maintains that it was real can only be a shill. (post #3957) [http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487&page=132&p=6317012&viewfull=1#post6317012](http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487&page=132&p=6317012&viewfull=1#post6317012) BetaMax not only maintained it was real, he also tried to obfuscate the proof that it was faked. He is therefore a shill. > [@](#): > > He probably doctored the video of his that you posted. > > * * * > > Only probably? No he didn’t, that video is exactly correct. It is really easy to download and setup a couple of frame grabs to verify this. The clear proof you are wrong tells me that you are a sad internet troll with absolutely no intent to debate. Anyone who puts this video on full-screen and watches the flag in the upper-left corner… [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/oFMpmjEv9o0/hqdefault.jpg "The flag that moved") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0) …can see that the pole and rod don’t move. The movement of the flag is also shown to be actual movement in that video. That video debunks BetaMax’s lame attempt to make people think that the movement was the blooming effect. Also, the flag wouldn’t have kept moving back and forth after the bloom if it had been it had been video blooming. Let’s hear your explanation for that. > [@](#): > > The fast flag movement can be explained by sped-up video. > > * * * > > No it can’t. There is no billowing from the water and no force whatsoever that causes it to be anything other than free moving. If that footage were slowed down, it would be consistent with its having been filmed in water. ![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/lBL98p0wZ7g/maxresdefault.jpg)https://www.youtube.com/embed/lBL98p0wZ7g?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque (1:53 time mark) Also, at the 1:50 time mark of the above video the flag flutters as it’s moved from right to left. It wouldn’t do that in a vacuum. It would only do that in atmophere or in a liquid. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/310 "2013-03-28T21:21:15Z")
Still waiting for your explanation about the Hubble being used to blackmail before it existed. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/311 "2013-03-28T21:21:48Z")
Since you are still here, would you answer my question as to why this is such a big deal to you? ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/312 "2013-03-28T21:24:53Z")
> [@Cosmored](#): > > They have the attitude that they’re winning the whole time they’re losing. Kettle, black. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/313 "2013-03-28T21:28:28Z")
You can always tell a shill. They disagree with you because they’re shills, and they’re shills because they disagree with you. That logic is so airtight, anyone inside it is oxygen-starved. ---
**Author:** ![Sid\_Snot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@Sid\_Snot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sid_Snot)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/314 "2013-03-28T21:38:04Z")
> [@Cosmored](#): > > People can read the debate for themselves and decide who looked silly and who didn’t. Looked silly? Ha ha - you got totally owned dude. He took chunks of flesh out of you. > [@](#): > > Shills are capable of saying some pretty lame things with authoritative patronizing attitudes. They have the attitude that they’re winning the whole time they’re losing. Trolls are capable of saying any old shit with the attitude that they know they are wrong but don’t have the balls to admit it. Now, about this proof that he is a shill. The silence is and will be deafening. > [@](#): > > As you can see in that debate, he maintained that the Chinese spacewalk was real. The proof that it was faked is so clear that it makes a good shill-detector. You seem to maintain that it was real so you are a shill too. Everyone who disgrees with you is a shill. > [@](#): > > Anyone who looks at the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked and then maintains that it was real can only be a shill. Or smarter than a you by a quantum leap. Or not an agent of the [‘stupid overlord of trolldom’](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYLwKqPn-YU). > [@](#): > > BetaMax not only maintained it was real, he also tried to obfuscate the proof that it was faked. He is therefore a shill. No, he therefore kicked your sorry ass. Your ‘proof’ that he was a shill seems to be that he kicked your theory to death. How quaint. > [@](#): > > Anyone who puts this video on full-screen and watches the flag in the upper-left corner… > [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0) > > …can see that the pole and rod don’t move. The movement of the flag is also shown to be actual movement in that video. That video debunks BetaMax’s lame attempt to make people think that the movement was the blooming effect. The rod upright moves. The movement is only highlighted when you do frame grabs and compare them. Looking at a tiny screen at full speed is something a moron would rely on. Oh wait… > [@](#): > > Also, the flag wouldn’t have kept moving back and forth after the bloom if it had been it had been video blooming. Let’s hear your explanation for that. Explanation for what? The whole flag and pole, plus areas of the background all move right during that brief passage. The flag moves back and forth after the astronaut brushes by it with his elbow. > [@](#): > > If that footage were slowed down, it would be consistent with its having been filmed in water. Total hogwash. There is no billowing from water or any deformation whatsover. That, you weird creep, is impossible in water. > [@](#): > > Also, at the 1:50 time mark of the above video the flag flutters as it’s moved from right to left. It wouldn’t do that in a vacuum. It would only do that in atmophere or in a liquid. No eejit. Your opinion is based on the [‘stupid formula’](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect)- subsequently dismissed. There are all sorts of weird and wonderful movements in space, where there is no resistance to even the tiniest of forces. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/315 "2013-03-28T21:46:08Z")
Could you answer my question as to why the people behind this powerful all-encompassing conspiracy haven’t been able to silence you? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/316 "2013-03-28T21:50:36Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Could you answer my question as to why the people behind this powerful all-encompassing conspiracy haven’t been able to silence you? The Men In Black never found the basement door in his parent’s house when they searched it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/317 "2013-03-28T21:56:02Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Could you answer my question as to why the people behind this powerful all-encompassing conspiracy haven’t been able to silence you? Why would they bother? This guy has the interpersonal skills of a brain-damaged wolverine. Even if he said something that was true, who would believe him or indeed care? He discredits himself with every post; indeed, he is his own shill. ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/318 "2013-03-28T22:07:15Z")
> [@](#): > > This guy has the interpersonal skills of a brain-damaged wolverine. I am either irate for my wolverine friends or adding this as a signature line. Hard to tell. It is still early here in Tennessee. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/319 "2013-03-28T22:08:00Z")
My response to the OP: [- YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmx4twCK3_I&t=0m9s). ---
**Author:** ![Capt\_Kirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@Capt\_Kirk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt_Kirk)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949/320 "2013-03-28T22:41:42Z")
Ooh ooh I hope he starts a Holocaust Diminisher thread, I am about to have 26947 from KLAuschwitz tattooed on my left fore arm. This is in reference to one of the links above, where he starts denying gas chambers Sorry for the hijack **Capt** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apollo-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio/653949.md?page=17)