# The Apprentice -- 10/14/04 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 13, 2004, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023 "2004-10-13T15:53:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/21 "2004-10-15T01:30:34Z")
This is why straight men do not design clothes. I know nothing about fashion and even I know that stuff sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/22 "2004-10-15T01:32:04Z")
> [@astro](#): > > Best quote so far- > > “We need to get work done! This is not a place for you to expand your personality!” I agree, that was a good call. That’s exactly what Raj was doing. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/23 "2004-10-15T01:32:45Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > This is why straight men do not design clothes. I know nothing about fashion and even I know that stuff sucks. You’re just not sophisticated enough to appreciate the men’s subtle “upholstery motif”. ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/24 "2004-10-15T01:35:17Z")
What a shocker. The women win. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/25 "2004-10-15T01:37:51Z")
This wasn’t exactly a fair task but John did kind of blow as a PM. Raj wasn’t very useful either this time but I hope he doesn’t go yet. ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/26 "2004-10-15T01:38:48Z")
Oh my god. How much of this can we blame on the designer? I didn’t see Kelly (Chris’s?) nice, tasteful coat in that mix… And she was quite the slacker getting the clothes made, when the women’s team walked into a room full of clothing. Did she poison the well? How could those clothes be that bad? :eek: :smack: And Carolyn has looked especially hot this entire episode. I was impressed with the leadership of the women… catty though it was, the working lunch and getting the clothes ready was downright impressive, and sending Elizabeth-the-over-analyzer to the buyers might have been a good idea, if they actually used what she learned (I couldn’t tell). She was writing the buyer sheets, I think? > [@astro](#): > > You’re just not sophisticated enough to appreciate the men’s subtle “upholstery motif”. You nailed it. And how can the guys be so…mature and calm? And committe-like about who they’re going to vote off the rock? ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/27 "2004-10-15T01:41:43Z")
Well, Raj is safe. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/28 "2004-10-15T01:42:37Z")
This is an interesting board room. The men aren’t being weasely or evasive when asked who they would fire and they’re giving coherent reasons for their choices. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/29 "2004-10-15T01:44:32Z")
I finallly found something to like about Stacy – nice rack for a midget. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/30 "2004-10-15T01:48:24Z")
The pleading to Carolyn is really unseemly. ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/31 "2004-10-15T01:49:17Z")
They must really edit/re-record Trump’s comments; it’s extremely obvious where they cut the audio. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/32 "2004-10-15T01:51:10Z")
Wasn’t someone supposed to crack up laughing this ep? Wasn’t that in a preview somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/33 "2004-10-15T01:53:43Z")
> [@Dewey Cheatem Undhow](#): > > Wasn’t someone supposed to crack up laughing this ep? Wasn’t that in a preview somewhere? It was Carolyn. She laughed at the men while they were picking out material. ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/34 "2004-10-15T01:54:04Z")
**Dewey** - Carolyn was laughing so hard she was crying when the guys were picking fabrics. It was priceless. StG ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/35 "2004-10-15T01:55:01Z")
> [@Dewey Cheatem Undhow](#): > > Wasn’t someone supposed to crack up laughing this ep? Wasn’t that in a preview somewhere? Carolyn had a giggle fit while the boys were picking fabrics. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/36 "2004-10-15T01:55:25Z")
“I hate people who exaggerate.” That’s got to be Stacy. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/37 "2004-10-15T01:58:34Z")
Wow, they sold _three times_ as much – they romped. This is the most lopsided win in Apprentice history! Oops, the Donald hates exaggeration… ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/38 "2004-10-15T02:02:26Z")
It was probably also one of the most lopsided _tasks_ in Apprentice history. Was there really any question over who would win this task? ---
**Author:** ![LilyoftheValley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/54ee81/32.png) [@LilyoftheValley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilyoftheValley)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/39 "2004-10-15T02:03:43Z")
> [@LilyoftheValley](#): > > \ > > Damn, the men are blubbering schmucks around attractive women. :dubious: > > \ …and Trump agrees. John should have thought on his feet and hauled Raj’s ass into the boardroom after hearing Trump go off on him. And I have to say that my respect for Kevin continues to grow. At risk to his own odds of firing, he stood up for Andy, when the rest of the team was totally bashing him. He looked pretty good answering the phone too. Who’s the loser who thinks it’s the height of humor to tease men about wearing frilly pink undergarments if they’re not uber-macho? Is it the same dude who was joking about the gay male restaurant patrons? ---
**Author:** ![litost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@litost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/litost)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023/40 "2004-10-15T02:11:59Z")
John was a poor manager, who had little control over the team (including blubbering Raj). That said, he could have saved his life had he brought in Kevin, Wes and Andy. Andy _could_ have stood out as the weak overall contributor. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-10-14-04/269023.md?page=3)