# The Apprentice -- 5/19 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 19, 2005, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559 "2005-05-19T11:39:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/41 "2005-05-20T03:14:47Z")
I forgot to mention two disappointing things for me personally: 1. They teased us with the spare apprenti marching into the boardroom last week to rag on their bosses. Why didn’t we start with that instead of a 20 minute recap of the season? 2. No appearance of Mumbles the Executive! How dare they?!? ---
**Author:** ![Suse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Suse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suse)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/42 "2005-05-20T03:33:59Z")
I think it would have been smarter of Tana to have just not shown up for the finale. No one not down to his last brain cell actually thought she had a chance to win, and it would have spared her and the audience the embarrassment. Also, it would have given Burnett the chance to have Trump interview some of the other contestants from this season; a bunch of losers each and every one, including Kendra, but many of them were just insane enough that it would have been fun to see what they are screwing up now. I hope they come up with a better set of candidates next year, and lose the idea of trying to prove that Trump will hire someone who does not have his required credential. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/43 "2005-05-20T04:10:58Z")
I’ve got to thank you guys for the thread. After a painfully bad season you’ve saved me from watching a painfully bad ending. I’ve got to say that the Apprentice works when you’ve got at least what appear to be competant people rather than a pack of drama queens which is what I felt like was all season 2 and season 3 better. Season 1 still had people doing stupid things for stupid reasons but I could watch and go “Yeah, management like these bozos is the reason my company is so screwed up.” I can’t see how 90% of the wannabes in the past two seasons could even hold a steady job, let alone have a management position. If either version this fall has a cast like the last two I’m bailing before episode 2. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/44 "2005-05-20T04:26:11Z")
Two thoughts: That opening recapping of previous episodes went on forever. It had to have been at least fifteen minutes, which is thirteen minutes too long. Trump is a sexist pig. The men get to work on buildings while the ladies work on pretty homes and beauty pagents? Ick. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/45 "2005-05-20T04:34:02Z")
> [@Slacker](#): > > I forgot to mention two disappointing things for me personally: > > 1. They teased us with the spare apprenti marching into the boardroom last week to rag on their bosses. Why didn’t we start with that instead of a 20 minute recap of the season? > > 2. No appearance of Mumbles the Executive! How dare they?!? It would have been fun to see them bring out Vinnie, the Governor’s assistant, and ask him what he thought of Tana. This season really made me appreciate what a great cast they had for season one. Anyone in the top five from season one would have been better than Tana. Bill, Kwame, Amy, Troy, Nick, even someone like Heidi was better than most of these idiots. Even Omarosa was at least interesting as a psycho and added an element of unpredictable peril to every task. Hopefully, they learned from this season in casting TA:4. Is anyone else curious about how the Martha Stewart version will work out? I think it could be quite good. I think Martha is probably smarter and cannier than Trump is and her reputation is that she has basically no tolerance for bullshit. I can’t see a guy like Danny getting through the freaking door with her and that wink-wink stuff that Erin was doing? Insta-fired. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/46 "2005-05-20T04:44:38Z")
Tana, acts of desperation do not become you. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/47 "2005-05-20T04:54:04Z")
Gah, that was pathetic. I’m glad I went to see _Star Wars_ and watched this on tape; I could zip through 90% of it. It took me about 20 minutes to watch the whole thing. Between cringes, of course. Wow, Tana was beyond an idiot. The whole thing was an embarrassment. The only thing that gives me hope for TA4 is that apparently Trump personally got involved in the casting since this was such a bunch of total loser bozos. ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/48 "2005-05-20T04:57:35Z")
Unlike most folks here, I was definitely a Tana fan. Not at first, but eventually she won me over with her cheeriness and competence. I think she saw the jig was up, so she went desperate over the shape of the brochure thing. Didn’t have much choice. If Tana had called me before the show, I would have told her that she should have pointed out that part of the reason her team was so difficult - and come on, Kristen and Brian are next to worthless, while all of the Magna folks that Kendra worked with were quirky, but competent. Okay, Michael is one lazy bastard, but give me those three over the two basket cases on Net Worth anyday - was that Tana took a leadership role early on. She incited the ire of her teammates because she was willing to step up and be a leader. Kendra, on the other hand, was like a Survivor contestant. Which makes for great TV, but would you rather have a businessperson who was willing to take risks and step up prioritizing the needs of the team, or someone who is calculating and looking out for their own self-interest first? If you’re the best, why not step up and prove it early on, instead of cruising on the coattails of your teammates, then turning it on? Tana is the student who turned in all of her work during the semester. Kendra is the one pumping out extra credit papers during the last week! (Yes, I know I’m clutching at straws a bit here.) ---
**Author:** ![Rainbowthief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4bbf92/32.png) [@Rainbowthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rainbowthief)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/49 "2005-05-20T06:32:36Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > That’s not too good a sign for tana that Chris endorsed Kendra. I think that’s the first time a final task team member has jumped ship and endorsed the other person. It’s the second time. Last season, Chris Russo worked for Jennifer Massey in the final task, but when asked by The Donald who he should hire at the finale, Chris endorsed Kelly Perdew instead of Jen. Funny how both times it was a Chris, huh? > [@JXJohns](#): > > Just saw Tana doing an red carpet live interview from Planet Hollywood with our local news. She essentially said the whole show was bullshit, her word on live TV, and she was ready to go home. If Trump wasn’t smart enough to hire her, she didn’t want the job anyway. > > Not sure what I think about that… Holy shit! Are you serious! She really went nuts! Before tonight, I didn’t think my opinion of Tana could get any lower, but she really came across as a completely unlikable, nasty, lying, bitch. She looked ridiculous when she screamed “YEAH! YEAH! THE SHAPE WAS THEIR FAVORITE PART! DON’T EVEN START WITH ME! YEAH!” I loved when Trump called Tana on her bullshit by bringing up the fact that she hid from her team after the final and said the “employees” could ride the SUV and she, the “executive” would take the limo. I’m very disappointed that the show was only an hour (and maybe a third of the hour was commercials) because I would’ve enjoyed hearing from John, Audrey, Angie, Verna, etc. It also would’ve been sweet if Kendra had been given a chance to rub her victory in Craig’s face (“I think Tana and I are the cream of the crop here”). That “young lady” owned your ass, bitch! One more thing, Trump was terrible at running the show tonight. He brought up Kendra crying more than he was supposed to, got Erin and Kristen mixed up and seemed downright disoriented at times. They needed a seasoned host like Regis Philbin from last season’s finale to keep the show running smoothly. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/50 "2005-05-20T07:50:50Z")
They really need to figure out the format for the finale - because they’ve just never been good. Not at all… The only surprising thing was Tana’s bizarre freakout over the shape of the brochure. That said, at the end of last week, didn’t we see the teams go into the boardroom? Why didn’t we see that footage? Was it so awful? Is there any way it was worse than we did see? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Big\_Cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Big\_Cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Big_Cheese)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/51 "2005-05-20T09:28:22Z")
They had planned on a 1-hour show at least a month ago. Seemed like one long commercial to me, even when they weren’t in commercials, Trump was hyping one of the sponsors or himself. Trump water?? ufff. I was expecting the boardroom too. I noticed Danny brought his guitar in with him, so I was hoping for one last song… ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/52 "2005-05-20T10:34:15Z")
> [@Rube E. Tewesday](#): > > Sheesh, Trump can’t even keep them straight. Okay now, Diogenes, do you really think that’s appropriate here? Let’s ask C J Dexterhoven what she thinks. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/53 "2005-05-20T12:25:43Z")
> [@Hippy Hollow](#): > > Tana is the student who turned in all of her work during the semester. Kendra is the one pumping out extra credit papers during the last week! One thing I did get out of the long, long intro was a reminder of some of Kendra’s successes early in the season – esp., for instance, getting the furniture for the motel task, which Bren, for one, credited for their win. What was Tana doing during that task? Inappropriately first-naming the guests. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/54 "2005-05-20T13:24:21Z")
Damn Yahoo… the “extra” footage is even more useless than usual. I want to see the spares in the boardroom from last week dangit! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/55 "2005-05-20T14:40:34Z")
What a lame couple of projects. The last two winners are in charge of huge buildings. Kendra gets to remodel a house. A weak task for a weak winner. Don’t get me wrong, she was the best of the bunch, but even she knew she got a loser task. That idiot Tana got worse and worse. That rant about the shape was an embarrassment for everyone. Kendra would have had to stand on the table and scream at Trump to fuck off to lose, maybe not even then. Interviews with more of the losers would have been way more interesting. Why didn’t he ask Chris is he was still off the chew? Next season better be much improved. Haj ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/56 "2005-05-20T15:34:03Z")
Well I am glad and not surprised that Kendra won. I actually think she is a very good candidate, don’t know how she compares to Season 1 (didn’t see it), but I think she is much better than last season’s winner, Kelly. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2005, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/57 "2005-05-22T14:32:21Z")
What I learned from the hiring: Sometimes it’s how you perform over the long haul; sometimes it’s how you perform at crunch time. BTW, did anybody else see Danny at the end try to duck under the camera and run for the bathroom? I eagerly await **Mullinator** ’s final ratings. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2005, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/58 "2005-05-22T20:36:02Z")
Did anyone see Tana on Conan? She’s still delusional. Oh, and while I did see Danny duck away at the end of the finale, I don’t think it’s clear that he was headed for the bathroom. For all we know, he just wanted to get Robin’s phone number. ---
**Author:** ![SiouxChief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@SiouxChief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SiouxChief)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/59 "2005-05-23T16:23:40Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > Did anyone see Tana on Conan? She’s still delusional. Yeah I saw that. I appreciate her optimism and drive, but she came off as way too pushy and arrogant. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2005, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559/60 "2005-05-23T17:07:16Z")
Bush’s Thursday night press conference some weeks back caused NBC to have to reshuffle the season, thus we ended up with that one hour stand-alone live trainwreck. The opening montage/recap was 15 minutes long. I fast-forwarded through it on my DVR and was amazed that the counter read 0:15 by the time the episode “started”. The mind shudders to think of what else Tana might have done to humiliate herself she had 10 more minutes of live airtime. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-apprentice-5-19/304559.md?page=4)