# The argument that Trump will do whatever he wants and no one can stop him is really fucking boring **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 12, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527 "2024-12-12T02:36:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/261 "2025-01-28T15:22:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Thank you for the solid links, btw. Note that the dates range from 2016-2024 - this alarm has been sounding a long time. Trump may not be Hitler (I mean, Hitler was actually competent) but the GOP he is the figurehead for is definitely fascist. Maybe Mussolini. And the arguments that the GOP aren’t exactly like the Nazis were in 1944 fall flat, as they continue to act like the Nazis in the mid 1930s. The analogy doesn’t have to be perfect to be valid. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/262 "2025-01-28T15:28:35Z")
Hey look, I found the next “fascist bootlicker” for you guys to turn your circular firing squad against. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Byg8VZdKK88/maxresdefault.jpg "Jon Stewart On Whether Dems' "Trump Is a Fascist" Accusations Are Warranted | The Daily Show") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byg8VZdKK88) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/263 "2025-01-28T15:57:39Z")
Good thing you’re not trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/264 "2025-01-28T16:04:29Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Good thing you’re not trolling I’m _not_ - I think Jon Stewart made all the same points Smapti and I did in this thread, so I figured you’re all about to shit on him, too. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/265 "2025-01-28T16:11:32Z")
> **[Stephen Miller Confesses that Trump Lied about Immigrants - emptywheel](https://www.emptywheel.net/2025/01/27/stephen-miller-confesses-that-trump-lied-about-immigrants/)** > > Stephen Miller is already frantically spinning new lies as it becomes clear Trump lied about how many migrants he could deport. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/266 "2025-01-28T16:30:54Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’m _not_ - I think Jon Stewart made all the same points Smapti and I did in this thread, so I figured you’re all about to shit on him, too. Yeah, you’re totally not trolling. While you’re busy patting yourself on the back, a reminder that the point is not that Trump will singlehandedly bring in fascism, it’s that Trump AND the Republican-controlled Congress AND the Republican-controlled Supreme Court AND the Republican-controlled media AND half the fucking country will push America as close to fascism as they can get as fast as they can. That they can use legal means to do this is not a revelation. And saying “It’s fine - they probably won’t reach ‘Nazis in 1944’ levels of fascism” is not a comfort. But the pretense that everything that’s happening is perfectly normal is delusional (which even Stewart points out even while decrying media hysteria). Your argument is the equivalent of the climate change denier one: “Hey, the Earth has had warm spells and droughts and hurricanes and wildfires before, so this is all perfectly normal. Why are you getting all worked up about global warming?”. Like them, you seem to think that if you can carve out each individual incident and point out that it is within a reasonable distance of the norm, you can ignore the cumulative effect and progression. This is the bullshit you keep getting called out on, that you handwave away as a “circular firing squad.” And I’ve already cited multiple historians and Holocaust scholars who have pointed out many of the overlaps between the Nazis and the GOP. Are they all just being hysterical? Crying wolf is certainly counterproductive, but in the end _there was a wolf_. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/267 "2025-01-28T16:34:18Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Crying wolf is certainly counterproductive, but in the end _there was a wolf_. I hear that in the end it made warm gloves and warm boots, but I have no cite. ( Please be careful; that may be propaganda. ) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/268 "2025-01-28T18:04:26Z")
I’ve sent the following message to my Senators: > Donald Trump is already performing illegal acts as President. His threats to use military force against our allies violates Congress’s authority over treaties and declarations of war. Donald Trump is systematically dismantling the very fabric of the United States. There is ample evidence that he is allied with Russia and wishes to withdraw from NATO. He is a clear and present danger to our democracy. For these reasons, Donald Trump must be impeached, convicted, and removed from office. I’ll write my Representatives too. ---
**Author:** ![bobsmom101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobsmom101/32/2867_2.png) [@bobsmom101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsmom101)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/269 "2025-01-28T18:44:40Z")
Thank you – I’m going to copy it and send to my senators & rep. At least go on record, though I don’t expect it to do any good (this is CA: both senators are true-blue but my rep is MAGA all the way). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/270 "2025-01-28T19:07:03Z")
> [@bobsmom101](#): > > I’m going to copy it and send to my senators & rep. Thank you. I’ve just sent the same message to my Representatives (who is a Democrat, thankfully). ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/271 "2025-01-28T19:20:11Z")
I’m in Texas. I’m afraid I’ll end up on some list if I do that! ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2025, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/272 "2025-01-28T19:52:23Z")
Colorado here. For what good it will do, I contacted them as well. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/273 "2025-01-29T00:25:38Z")
There seem to be some enthusiastic arguments that prematurely sounding the _fascism is upon us_ alarm is counterproductive and damaging to the credibility of the progressive left. At the same time, the metaphor of the frog remaining in the incrementally-hotter pot of water has to be contended with. Is there a bright line between _crying wolf_ and _boiling frog_? It would not seem so; and in the absence of such a bright line, the intuitively safer move would seem to be to plant our fences within the nebulously-defined perimeter of the overly-cautious wolf-crier. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/274 "2025-01-29T01:13:58Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Is there a bright line between _crying wolf_ and _boiling frog_? It would not seem so; and in the absence of such a bright line, the intuitively safer move would seem to be to plant our fences within the nebulously-defined perimeter of the overly-cautious wolf-crier. The line is that Trump is trying to impose fascism on this country, but he can be stopped or slowed down if we fight him using the tools that are available to us, from lawsuits to protests to civil disobedience and everything in between. Presenting fascism as inevitable (which seems to be a specialty of Democratic leadership and the corporate world these days) is defeatist and discourages people from even trying to oppose it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/275 "2025-01-29T01:18:31Z")
Is it one thing to just tell people that Trump will be stopped, and another to tell them that if they don’t get off their asses and do something there is a damn good chance Trump and his cronies will succeed. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/276 "2025-01-29T01:25:38Z")
You can’t not get the feeling that if Smapti was in charge of the Warsaw Ghetto there wouldn’t have been an uprising. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/277 "2025-01-29T01:37:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > another to tell them that if they don’t get off their asses and do something there is a damn good chance Trump and his cronies will succeed. And which of those is being accomplished by telling people that Trump can’t be stopped and the courts will rule in his favor no matter what and Congress will rubber stamp everything? > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > if Smapti was in charge of the Warsaw Ghetto there wouldn’t have been an uprising. As opposed to if crowmanyclouds was in charge, who would have told the Jews that Hitler is going to get everything he wants no matter what they do and they may as well turn themselves in to spare the Gestapo the trouble of hunting them down. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/278 "2025-01-29T01:44:19Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > As opposed to if crowmanyclouds was in charge, who would have told the Jews that Hitler is going to get everything he wants no matter what they do and they may as well turn themselves in to spare the Gestapo the trouble of hunting them down. Except, I’m not the one that thinks the AMA is going to save us. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/279 "2025-01-29T01:54:00Z")
One post, two lies. Take your strawmen elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/280 "2025-01-29T02:02:28Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I’m not the one that thinks the AMA is going to save us. Is there anyone who you think is capable of saving us? Because if I were as convinced as you are that there’s nothing anyone can do, I’d be getting the hell out of the country before the blackshirts showed up at my door. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Take your strawmen elsewhere. Still waiting on you to explain how you’re actively fighting against the Supreme Court. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527.md?page=15)