# The argument that Trump will do whatever he wants and no one can stop him is really fucking boring **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 12, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527 "2024-12-12T02:36:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1001 "2025-07-06T04:35:48Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I also think that @Gyrate is full of shit when he pretends that he _does_ think that America is preparing to ship migrants to death camps. ? The camp is _built_. Trump went there to brag last week. He wants more. I’m honestly curious as to your take on what is going to happen in these places. We just got word back on what is going on in El Salvador and it is exactly what you would expect. Great article here from MSNBC that draws parallels between Alligator Alcatraz and other camps that came before it: > **[Opinion | Don’t call it ‘Alligator Alcatraz.’ Call it a concentration camp.](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/immigration-alligator-alcatraz-concentration-camp-rcna216874)** > > This facility’s purpose fits the classic model, and its existence points to serious dangers ahead for the country. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1002 "2025-07-06T05:26:38Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > The camp is _built_. Trump went there to brag last week. He wants more. Honestly, I’m surprised nobody’s suggested the following to him. Take the undocumented migrants, put them in camps next to golf courses (but make sure they’re not visible from the course). Have the migrants work the course. Of course, not all of the undocumented people can be thus employed, so there will have to be some kind of list to declare who is lucky enough to stay in the US and work the golf courses. Let’s call it _Swindler’s List_. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1003 "2025-07-06T07:06:43Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > And, by the way, the United States has committed genocide in the past. And it’s blatantly obvious the current administration intends to do it again. Now, I don’t think they intend to murder every member of the group they are marginalizing, but they certainly do plan on incarcerting them, removing them, punishing them, and have already expressed they do not care if members of that group die while in custody. Even the Nazis didn’t go full extermination right off the bat. The general massacre of non-whites will come later, after a ramp-up period. Since that’s around 40% of the population they’ll almost certainly do the salami-slicing thing where they kill off the population in segments, letting the survivors convince themselves that _they_ are safe. _“First they came for the-”_ in action. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1004 "2025-07-06T07:23:00Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Let’s call it _Swindler’s List_. Very well played, **Monty**. I like it. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1005 "2025-07-06T07:28:27Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > What empirical evidence do you have that the Trump Admin is building literal death camps for immigrants, and what kind of pathetic coward are you, if you _actually_ believe that and your response is to doompost about it online rather than taking up arms against a literal genocide? Loving this whole “it’s not a death camp unless you’re willing to go shoot people to stop it” deflection. Lie, deflect and minimize is kind of your jam, though. And this whole “you don’t believe it unless you’re willing to start a civil war for it” claim you keep dropping like turds is just a next-level version of the “you don’t support your position unless you’re willing to bet money on it” bullying bullshit now rightly banned here. If you weren’t a lying, disingenuous sack of shit excusing human suffering you wouldn’t need to resort to it. > [@Babale](#): > > In reality, I think we all know that you’re just virtue signaling about how terrified you are of Trump, you’re not _actually_ stupid enough to think he’s building death camps. See; this is one of those reality-free statements you keep making. Also: “virtue signalling” - a term used by sociopaths unable to grasp the idea that people might actually care about others and therefore assume any actions indicating such must be due to some ulterior motive. > [@Babale](#): > > I also think that @Gyrate is full of shit when he pretends that he _does_ think that America is preparing to ship migrants to death camps. You mean like the one in El Salvador where migrants were shipped with no due process to be kept in horrific conditions with no set release? > **[What we know about El Salvador’s ‘mega prison’ where Trump is sending alleged...](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/03/17/americas/el-salvador-prison-trump-deportations-gangs-intl-latam)** > > El Salvador’s Cecot mega-prison was notorious long before the Trump administration’s recent decision to deport hundreds of alleged Venezuelan gang members there. Or are you going to play the semantics card and say “Well, he didn’t _build_ that one!”? But I suppose they could just set them free elsewhere, like in Libya and South Sudan which are in the middle of civil wars and from which the vast majority of those immigrants aren’t from. Hey, if you drop them into a war zone, you don’t have to pull the trigger yourself, right? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1006 "2025-07-06T15:21:06Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Loving this whole “it’s not a death camp unless you’re willing to go shoot people to stop it” deflection. Lie, deflect and minimize is kind of your jam, though. No, it’s not a death camp unless they’re using it to kill people there. > [@Gyrate](#): > > You mean like the one in El Salvador where migrants were shipped with no due process to be kept in horrific conditions with no set release? No, I mean _death camps_ where people are being executed en masse. If that’s not what _you_ meant when you used the term, apparently you have a very non-standard definition of the term. > [@Gyrate](#): > > Or are you going to play the semantics card and say “Well, he didn’t _build_ that one!”? No, I’m going to point out that it’s _not a fucking death camp, you delusional fuck_. The deportations are stupid and evil enough on their own without calling them _death camps_. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1007 "2025-07-06T16:16:39Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I mean _death camps_ where people are being executed en masse. If that’s not what _you_ meant when you used the term, apparently you have a very non-standard definition of the term. You’re completely right. We should call them “sparkling torture camps where sometimes people die”. Real death camps have to come from the Death region of WWII Europe. The US is seizing people without due process, sending them to prisons to be tortured, lying about who it is taking, and just passed a law allocating billions more to be spent on it, but the problem is calling them death camps when so far the deaths are just a side effect of torture and neglect, instead of deliberate and systematic? Get a focus on what is important here. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1008 "2025-07-06T16:34:01Z")
> [@echoreply](#): > > You’re completely right. We should call them “sparkling torture camps where sometimes people die”. Real death camps have to come from the Death region of WWII Europe. Are you actually this stupid? Real death camps are camps where people are put to death. It’s not a complicated concept. > [@echoreply](#): > > The US is seizing people without due process, sending them to prisons to be tortured, lying about who it is taking, and just passed a law allocating billions more to be spent on it, but the problem is calling them death camps when so far the deaths are just a side effect of torture and neglect, instead of deliberate and systematic? Are you under the impression that the only two categories detention centers can fall into are “death camps” and “completely fine camps”? I didn’t realize Gyrate had company in the Two Braincells Only club. Dachau and Buchenwald were horrific places where terrible crimes against humanity were committed. They weren’t _death camps_ though. If you think that any of Trump’s camps are even at Dachau or Buchenwald’s level, you’re fucking delusional. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1009 "2025-07-06T17:19:29Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > If you think that any of Trump’s camps are even at Dachau or Buchenwald’s level, you’re fucking delusional. Ad hominems and semantics, and completely missing the point. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1010 "2025-07-06T18:36:04Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I also think that @Gyrate is full of shit when he pretends that he _does_ think that America is preparing to ship migrants to death camps Hello @Babale, anyone home? What the hell do you think the El Salvador prisons are, hmmmm…? You ain’t never getting out, just torture and brutality in many forms. If that’s not a death camp, I don’t know what is. If I knew I was to be sent to one, my only thoughts would be what kind of suicide. Trump just wants to do it at ‘home’. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1011 "2025-07-06T19:03:40Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > If that’s not a death camp, I don’t know what is. Sorry, I’m with Babale on this one point. Death camp literally = [extermination camp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp). Concentration camp, sure - I’m happy to go there and people are quite likely going to die in those shit holes. Death camp, no. Hyperbole has to have its limits, because at a certain point it’s just shrieking into the wind. If Trump literally starts gassing or shooting people by the hundreds or thousands as a cost-cutting measure as opposed to going through the trouble of deporting them, then we can talk. In the meantime, Trump is drawing enough Hitler parallels on his own without jumping the gun and pushing him excitedly down the rhetorical tunnel. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1012 "2025-07-06T19:14:19Z")
I’m just gonna add one more voice to Babale’s defense on this particular topic. Words mean things, and alligator alcatraz is not a death camp. Neither are el Salvadorean prisons. Let’s be reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1013 "2025-07-06T19:17:01Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > trouble of deporting them, then we can talk And that’s what he want’s too do. Too much of a pain to deport them and have them die in El Salvador. No reason to, since we have plenty of space for death camps right here in the bad old USA. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1014 "2025-07-06T19:19:10Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I’m just gonna add one more voice to Babale’s defense on this particular topic. Words mean things, and alligator alcatraz is not a death camp. Neither are el Salvadorean prisons. It would be for me. > [@steronz](#): > > Let’s be reasonable. Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1015 "2025-07-06T19:19:50Z")
> **[SCOTUS Says Laws Don't Count Until You Sue](https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/scotus-says-laws-dont-count-until)** > > They're not saying Trump can break the law. They're just saying no one can stop him. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1016 "2025-07-06T19:22:42Z")
I hate appealing to the authority of [Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/death%20camp), but. > a concentration camp in which large numbers of prisoners are systematically killed You are not a “large number of prisoners,” nor does a single execution (or death) rise to the level of “a system” for killing. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1017 "2025-07-06T19:25:58Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Sorry, I’m with Babale on this one point. Death camp literally = [extermination camp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp). Concentration camp, sure - I’m happy to go there and people are quite likely going to die in those shit holes. Death camp, no. Hyperbole has to have its limits, because at a certain point it’s just shrieking into the wind. If Trump literally starts gassing or shooting people by the hundreds or thousands as a cost-cutting measure as opposed to going through the trouble of deporting them, then we can talk. This is semantic insanity. If you lock people up (again - without any due process whatsoever), subject them to horrific abuse, ship them off to a third world country to be locked in a prison camp filled with violent criminals with no intent of ever releasing them for the rest of their pain-and-suffering-filled lives, the argument “hey, at least we’re not shooting or gassing them” **is not a mitigation**. And you’d have to be as morally bankrupt as Babale to claim otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1018 "2025-07-06T19:29:58Z")
Oh, he could be stopped. After his insurrection and attempt to overthrow the government, the house impeached him in one session. It was the spineless senate republicans that let him skate. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1019 "2025-07-06T19:30:26Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > This is semantic insanity. It really isn’t. > [@Gyrate](#): > > **is not a mitigation**. Not making that claim. > [@Gyrate](#): > > And you’d have to be as morally bankrupt as Babale to claim otherwise. Feel free to judge, then. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2025, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/1020 "2025-07-06T19:31:08Z")
It seems pointless to me to debate the semantics. People are being rounded up, the rule of law is being ignored and many are being tortured to death. All that needs to happen now is a scaling up. Much of which will happen with a deliberate fog of war. There will be no critical turning point, no line in which we suddenly get to say “Ok, _now_ it’s death camps”. Let’s just agree that we’re on the thin end of the death camp wedge and treat it as the threat it is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527.md?page=52)