# The argument that Trump will do whatever he wants and no one can stop him is really fucking boring **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 12, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527 "2024-12-12T02:36:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2024, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/101 "2024-12-22T23:00:46Z")
Romney’s successor doesn’t seem to be in the “let’s give Trump everything he wants” camp. > **[GOP Sen.-elect Curtis says he's not afraid to disagree with Trump](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-sen-elect-curtis-afraid-disagree-trump/story?id=117020694)** > > Sen.-elect John Curtis wants Trump to be “wildly successful," but he made it clear there will be times that he disagrees with Trump’s approach. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/102 "2024-12-23T01:03:51Z")
Where not in the “let’s give Trump everything he wants” camp only brings this to his mind, > “A lot of people ask me when I say I’m sometimes going to have my differences with the president … And I’ll just tell you from my previous service with him at the same time, it’s spending,” Curtis said. “We have to do far more to rein in our spending. And that is a big deal in Utah. That’s what my constituents expect me to do.” But I’m sure he’s gonna not spend our money wisely. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/103 "2024-12-23T10:04:32Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > But I’m sure he’s gonna not spend our money wisely. In the news today: [Trump wants to buy Greenland, again](https://www.axios.com/2024/12/23/trump-buying-greenland-us-ownership-plan) [Trump threatens to take control of the Panama Canal](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98l9wj67jgo) I don’t trust him to spend our money wisely, either. Also, he wants to [rename Denali back to Mount McKinley.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/23/donald-trump-denali-america-tallest-mountain-rename-mount-mckinley.) He floated this idea during his first term, but gave it up after canvassing Alaska’s congressional delegation, and being persuaded not to. I don’t think he’s planning on listening to anybody this time. Buckle up, it’s going to be a bumpy four years. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/104 "2024-12-23T10:07:21Z")
The OP almost sounds like he or she detests Trump, but couldn’t manage to vote for Harris because she didn’t check all the right boxes, or to protest Gaza or something. So they’re trying to justify the passive role they played in bringing Trump back to power. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/105 "2024-12-23T16:48:21Z")
Where the fuck do you get that! Trump is vile and represents the greatest threat that our country has seen since 1865. ! I liked Harris, and proudly voted straight Dem in 2024 , as I have the past 28 years. (I skipped the 1994 election because I was young and lazy but after seeing the results vowed never to do so again). Read the damn OP and my subsequent posts! I am not even arguing that Trump won’t be a dictator that can do whatever he wants. What I am arguing is that it is a dead end as far as a debate topic because if he is a dictator then there is no point in discussing strategy or possible outcomes because the answer will always be we are doomed and there is nothing we can do. I guess you would prefer a forum with nothing but pages and pages of arguments over whether Trump will be a dictator, but I prefer one where we can discuss what could or might happen on the off chance that the world doesn’t end. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/106 "2024-12-23T19:58:36Z")
nm. Will repost to include quote. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/107 "2024-12-23T20:00:03Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Where the fuck do you get that! Trump is vile and represents the greatest threat that our country has seen since 1865. ! I liked Harris, and proudly voted straight Dem in 2024 , as I have the past 28 years. (I skipped the 1994 election because I was young and lazy but after seeing the results vowed never to do so again). Sorry if I misunderstood you. Still, I have seen similar arguments, from all political sides, to the effect that Trump won’t be so bad and we all need to dial back the angst. I’ve heard it from Republicans, Democrats, people who float around in the nebulous space of libertarianism, and even far left progressives. It is true that Trump 2.0 probably won’t be so bad… right away. It’ll take time for all of this to happen, years even. That’s how it played out the first time. For instance, the SCOTUS didn’t rule on Dobbs until nearly 18 months after Trump left office. (Believe it or not, there are actually people out there who consider Dobbs [just one more way things have gone worse under Biden](https://medium.com/@ktfox/actually-i-can-think-of-worse-things-than-another-trump-presidency-92a56aa9949d). (You’ll need to scroll down a bit.) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/108 "2024-12-23T20:13:19Z")
> [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > In the news today: > > [Trump wants to buy Greenland, again](https://www.axios.com/2024/12/23/trump-buying-greenland-us-ownership-plan) > > [Trump threatens to take control of the Panama Canal](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98l9wj67jgo) And Canada’s going to be the 51st state. Because “Lebensraum”? (Seriously, how long has it been since a president openly talked about expanding the territory of the US?) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/109 "2024-12-23T20:41:38Z")
> [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > It is true that Trump 2.0 probably won’t be so bad… right away. It’ll take time for all of this to happen, years even. Couldn’t disagree more. He’s already setting up his cabinet of boot lickers. He’s already making changes. And he isn’t even in office. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/110 "2024-12-23T20:51:12Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > He’s already making changes. Is he? His threat last week to go after any Republican congressperson who didn’t vote to abolish the debt limit resulted in all but 38 Republican representatives and 10 senators voting to fund the government without abolishing the debt limit. The nomination of Gaetz as AG didn’t even last a Scaramucci. He seems to have completely given up on his demand that he be allowed to make recess appointments. It’s quickly becoming clear that he’s not as intimidating as he once was, and he’s looking a lot weaker and less in control of the situation. This isn’t a president who’s going to be able to issue dictatorial edicts and have the other branches of government just go along with it. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/111 "2024-12-23T21:03:45Z")
And, once again, a thread that’s complaining about the repetitive circular argument becomes the circular argument itself. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2024, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/112 "2024-12-24T14:06:30Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > This isn’t a president who’s going to be able to issue dictatorial edicts and have the other branches of government just go along with it. Neither was Hindenburg. Which is to say, fill your administration with the right people, and it doesn’t so much matter if the President is a fascist (although, to be clear, Trump is) or good at governing according to the fascist agenda _just so long as someone in power is_. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/113 "2024-12-26T01:27:42Z")
> [@Mr.Greenjeans](#): > > And Canada’s going to be the 51st state. I thought this was just hyperbole, [but it isn’t](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/donald-trump-s-offer-to-people-of-canada-in-bid-to-take-over/ar-AA1wtYkj?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=cbab8b0a5ed14de29f277aa7cf350001&ei=12). Not that I think it would actually be possible, but I’m astonished he’s even thinking of it. But we sure did give the Democratic establishment their comeuppance about Gaza and grocery prices, didn’t we! So glad we kept our priorities straight. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/114 "2024-12-26T03:47:33Z")
From the linked report by @Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus : (Quoting Trump:) > ‘Merry Christmas to all, including to the wonderful soldiers of [China](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/china/index.html), who are lovingly, but illegally, operating the Panama Canal (where we lost 38,000 people in its building 110 years ago),’ Who is the “we” of those who died, Kimosabe? > **[How Many People Died Building the Panama Canal? - History in Charts](https://historyincharts.com/the-history-of-the-panama-canal-railroad/)** > > Uncover how many people died constructing the Panama Canal. Explore the lives lost and sacrifices made to connect two oceans. **The Panama Canal was one of the deadliest construction projects in world history, leading to the deaths of ~25,000-30,000 people in the process. A vast majority of the deaths came from the French where historians believe between ~20,000-25,000 died. Official US records show over 5,600 workers killed in their portion of the construction project.** ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/115 "2024-12-26T15:14:30Z")
Have any MAGAt congresspersons come out in support of his idiotic expansionist fantasies? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/116 "2024-12-26T15:18:21Z")
The “good” Congress people are apparently the ones that don’t actively try to stop the nonsense, taking their cue from “good” cops. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/117 "2024-12-26T15:34:38Z")
Going back to this early in the thread as I read back: > [@Odesio](#): > > Unfortunately I have zero faith in the Supreme Court at the moment. When push comes to shove, I think they’re willing to go to bat for Trump. I’m aware they haven’t always ruled in his favor, but I think when brass tacks are down, so long as it’s ideologically convenient for them and they can find a fig leaf to justify it, they will rule in favor of Trump. Not so much of Trump _qua_ Trump, the man, but as the face of and instrument for establishing the ideology they lean towards anyway. The fig leaf will be that their reading of the constitution leads to these and those policy actions being righteous and good and constitutionally fine and dandy, _and_ to that the man putting them in effect must not be prevented from doing so (which is what then shields him from consequences) except through the purely political, not judicial, process. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/118 "2024-12-26T15:45:27Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Have any MAGAt congresspersons come out in support of his idiotic expansionist fantasies? Like proper cowards and bootlickers, they’re staying silent because there’s no reason for them to say anything right now, positive or negative. Right now, all this is just Trump talking. If he’s not serious, they won’t ever need to say anything; he’ll eventually move on to some new “joke”. If he is serious, maybe he’s just talking about “negotiating” with Canada, Greenland and Panama. In that case, it will be CG&P who push back on his nonsense, so again, no need for them to say anything. But maybe he’s talking about actual wars of annexation. Well, again, CG&P will push back on that, at least a first, and it’s only then that they might need to start saying something. If he wins easily, of course they’ll immediately say they supported him all along. If he loses, they’ll praise his efforts, and blame those woke CG&Pberanians for being too stupid to see the genius of his plan. If it’s somewhere in the “quagmire” zone, then and only that will they have to actually think for themselves. Guaranteed, they put _that_ off for as long as possible! ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/119 "2024-12-26T15:49:47Z")
You know what country would be easy to annex? Cuba. It’s sitting right there, and look how small it is on the map. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/120 "2024-12-26T17:19:20Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Have any MAGAt congresspersons come out in support of his idiotic expansionist fantasies? CNN is hard at work trying to sanewash it; [![](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:xjc7mkotpenvhh6ffewkdpyn/bafkreiewhc37hslropb4oil52hartsrzmw2nlpnsknfdllj5mzlwilwsym@jpeg) ](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:xjc7mkotpenvhh6ffewkdpyn/bafkreiewhc37hslropb4oil52hartsrzmw2nlpnsknfdllj5mzlwilwsym@jpeg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527.md?page=7)