# The argument that Trump will do whatever he wants and no one can stop him is really fucking boring **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [December 12, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527 "2024-12-12T02:36:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![bobsmom101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobsmom101/32/2867_2.png) [@bobsmom101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobsmom101)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2025, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/161 "2025-01-23T17:00:54Z")
IMO you’ve kind of missed the point of the previous posts. See, T\*\*\*p doesn’t have to _do_ anything that might blow back on him. He just has to tweet out some vague desires that the armed thugs he’s just unleashed from prison will take as their call to action. He doesn’t have to ask Congress’ permission to authorize or budget for them, and if there’s too much public outcry over their extrajudicial activities, he can just disown them. This has been his _modus operandi_ at least since the Central Park 5 days. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/162 "2025-01-24T17:12:33Z")
A judge appointed by Reagan has stopped him (for now): [Judge blocks Trump’s ‘blatantly unconstitutional’ executive order that aims to end birthright citizenship](https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/23/politics/birthright-citizenship-lawsuit-hearing-seattle/index.html) > “I have been on the bench for over four decades. I can’t remember another case where the question presented was as clear,” Coughenour said. > > “Where were the lawyers” when the decision to sign the executive order was made, the judge asked. He said that it “boggled” his mind that a member of the bar would claim the order was constitutional. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/163 "2025-01-24T17:16:23Z")
Will this decision stand and, if not, when will it be overturned? ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/164 "2025-01-24T17:24:40Z")
Who knows? Have the right-wing justices expressed any dissatisfaction with current 14th Amendment interpretation, like they did with abortion or the Chevron doctrine? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/165 "2025-01-24T17:38:45Z")
Like citizenship matters? ICE is already arresting citizens because they’re brown. [https://www.axios.com/2025/01/24/ice-raid-newark-new-jersey-immigration-us-citizens](https://www.axios.com/2025/01/24/ice-raid-newark-new-jersey-immigration-us-citizens) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/166 "2025-01-24T18:12:56Z")
> **[Rep. Ogles Proposes Amending the 22nd Amendment to Allow Trump to Serve a...](https://ogles.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-ogles-proposes-amending-22nd-amendment-allow-trump-serve-third-term)** > > WASHINGTON, DC - Congressman Andy Ogles introduced a House Joint Resolution to amend the Constitution of the United States to allow a President to be elected for up to but no more than three terms. The language of the proposed amendment reads as... That the proposed Amendment basically says that Trump can be elected to a third term, but three of the four other former Presidents can’t. Remember how the Reich Wing told everyone that Democrats wanted to make their guy President for Life? And the Democrats never tried to? And that Trump said he did want to be President for Life? Well, here we go. (Not that it stands a chance, but they’re making the _attempt_.) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/167 "2025-01-24T19:01:14Z")
Can an Amendment be itself amended by a House Joint Resolution legally? ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/168 "2025-01-24T19:07:11Z")
The resolution appears to be to propose an amendment, which would have to be passed with a 2/3 vote in each house. From [house.gov](http://house.gov) > There is little practical difference between a bill and a joint resolution. Both are subject to the same procedure, except for a joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution. On approval of such a resolution by two-thirds of both the House and Senate, it is sent directly to the Administrator of General Services for submission to the individual states for ratification. It is not presented to the President for approval. So nothing will happen with this resolution, which must be for the sole purpose of sucking up to Trump. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/169 "2025-01-24T19:11:10Z")
Not just no, the Eighteenth Amendment required the Twenty-first Amendment to change it. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/170 "2025-01-24T19:27:38Z")
For purposes of legislative procedure constitutional amendments are submitted in Congress as Joint Resolutions. Further to **doreen** ’s link above, here’s what is in [the National Archives page](https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution): > The Congress proposes an amendment in the form of a joint resolution. Since the President does not have a constitutional role in the amendment process, the joint resolution does not go to the White House for signature or approval. The original document is forwarded directly to NARA’s Office of the Federal Register (OFR) for processing and publication. The OFR adds legislative history notes to the joint resolution and publishes it in slip law format. The OFR also assembles an information package for the States which includes formal “red-line” copies of the joint resolution, copies of the joint resolution in slip law format, and the statutory procedure for ratification under 1 U.S.C. 106b. > > The Archivist submits the proposed amendment to the States for their consideration by sending a letter of notification to each Governor along with the informational material prepared by the OFR. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/171 "2025-01-24T20:32:12Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > [https://www.axios.com/2025/01/24/ice-raid-newark-new-jersey-immigration-us-citizens](https://www.axios.com/2025/01/24/ice-raid-newark-new-jersey-immigration-us-citizens) From the linked article, the raid was conducted after “…after receiving a complaint…” So basically the seafood depot got SWATTED. It sounds now as if any rando can call in a complaint and presto! ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/172 "2025-01-24T20:50:54Z")
Somehow, I doubt that lily-white me in my suburban middle class neighborhood is in any danger of being ICEd. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2025, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/173 "2025-01-24T22:34:49Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Rep. Ogles Proposes Amending the 22nd Amendment to Allow Trump to Serve a Third Term | Representative Ogles](https://ogles.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-ogles-proposes-amending-22nd-amendment-allow-trump-serve-third-term) Off-topic, but: wouldn’t it be interesting to know the actual dollar amount by which Ogles will profit from this? Back on-topic: I see that recent events have, somewhat, taken the wind out of the sails of our ‘_he just CANNOT do whatever he wants_’ advocates. Tough to argue that at the moment, for sure. Though I see a lot of weight is being placed on the fact that Judge Coughenour said ‘no’ to ending birthright citizenship. I hope the optimists are correct. But I suspect you have to be _very_ prone to optimism to count on this restraining our white-supremacist overlords. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/174 "2025-01-25T13:00:27Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Back on-topic: I see that recent events have, somewhat, taken the wind out of the sails of our ‘_he just CANNOT do whatever he wants_’ advocates. The argument _does_ appear a bit less boring the past few days, what? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/175 "2025-01-25T13:18:40Z")
One could be excused for thinking the argument was a bit stupid to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/176 "2025-01-25T13:22:16Z")
No doubt. Still, I’ve been biting my nails for the past week over whether my February Social Security check is going to be there to cover my rent. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/177 "2025-01-25T18:30:03Z")
I’m not sure if it was this thread or another where it was being predicted that Trump’s new ICE wouldn’t succeed with mass deportations because it would just be too difficult. Well, [the first planeloads of deportees have arrived in Guatemala.](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/24/us/politics/trump-us-guatemala-military-migrants.html?unlocked_article_code=1.r04.wstY.7imDaH1YC5R0&smid=url-share) DOD says the plan is to remove 5000 deportees in this fashion in the next few days. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/178 "2025-01-25T20:40:37Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > DOD says the plan is to remove 5000 deportees in this fashion in the next few days. Which isn’t really any different than what was happening before. > **[US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's 2019 record](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o)** > > President Biden had pledged to pause deportations, but ended up expanding it following a surge in border crossings. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/179 "2025-01-25T20:54:34Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > The argument _does_ appear a bit less boring the past few days, what? Don’t worry, I have it on good authority that [everything is going to be just as it was in 2017](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/207), and the ~~Congress~~ ~~Supreme Court~~ ~~Attorney General~~ ~~press~~ ~~‘adults in the room’~~ Boy Scouts will stop Trump from doing whatever he pleases! Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2025, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527/180 "2025-01-25T22:06:40Z")
But now ICE is [detaining American citizens for being brown.](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-rail-against-egregious-ice-raid-after-military-veteran-questioned) These actions are being done without warrants of any type. They also have been authorized to [raid schools, hospitals and churches](https://apnews.com/article/immigration-enforcement-sensitive-locations-trump-ab0d2d2652e9df696f14410ebb52a1fc) to look for anyone who is illegal. That’s a serious change from Biden. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-argument-that-trump-will-do-whatever-he-wants-and-no-one-can-stop-him-is-really-fucking-boring/1011527.md?page=10)