Exactly, including several of the perpetrators of the swirling back-and-forth argument in other threads deciding to join this one to continue the argument.
Trump tried to overthrow the American government by mob violence and have himself declared President.
So what is the line that you feel Trump still needs to cross?
No you won’t.
You’ll keep your mouth shut just like the rest of us.
I will say that the “he’ll do whatever he wants” arguments are unsatisfying because it’s just so open ended a complaint. It ranges from a repeat of 2019 to a dystopian nightmare, and nobody complaining has any idea where it’s going to land. There’s nothing to grab onto, it’s not complaining about a threatened 10% tariff on Canadian paper products, it’s throwing tariff threats around like Oprah, will he actually do any of them, all of them, will he decide 10% is too little, or too much?
I was on a business call and our guy was like “nobody has any idea where Trump is going to land on this issue”.
You mean like the Dems when proven wrong?
Or better yet, like Czarcasm when asked a question that proves he’s wrong.
And like Flat Earthers they deny any proof that they are wrong.
The failure to imprison Pence & Pelosi and take power
The failure to find 11,000 votes in Georgia
The failure to indict Hillary Clinton
The failure to stop North Korea from increasing its nuclear capability
Oh, let’s ignore that but trust me Trump can do anything he wants
Muslim ban upheld
SEE! PROOF!
Tried but did not succeed. That is the point of the OP. Someone stopped him.
That’s my problem - he’ll do whatever he wants , and we can’t count on Congress or the Supreme Court to stop him ( they might, but we can’t count on it) but what is it that he wants? He wants to go after “his enemies” but he already seems to be walking that back , It could like his last term or it could be the end of the world as we know it- or he could spend all his time eating McDonald’s, playing golf , watching TV and having rallies to bask in the adulation of his “fans” and nothing really terrible happens. There’s really no way to tell.
I am reading Blowback by Miles Taylor. It does scare me.
Saying you can think of crimes that Trump didn’t commit is not the same as saying Trump hasn’t committed crimes.
And saying that Trump has tried to commit more crimes but failed is not the same as saying Trump doesn’t try to commit crimes.
We shouldn’t have a President who fails when he tries to overthrow the government. We should have a President who doesn’t try to overthrow the government.
Agreed but that has nothing to do with the OP. Even SCOTUS said, well if he committed insurrection then you should have convicted him of 18 USC 2383. So why wasn’t he indicted?
No, I mean like Germans who didn’t want to be loaded on the next train.
Yes, and the point of the complaint is that we have a person in the highest office of our country who needs to be stopped. Who has, during his campaign, openly supported a variety of terrible ideas, and we are forced to rely on an nebulous someone to stop him.
Yes, he should have been indicted. And convicted. And imprisoned.
He wasn’t. He committed crimes and got away with it. People with authority aren’t acting to stop him. You’ve identified the problem we are talking about.
Someone didn’t stop him.
I do get tired of not making the distinction between:
- Trump can do unconstitutional official acts if there’s no credible enforcement (entirely true).
- Trump can construct arbitrary Constitutional rights and compel states to honor them because there’s no credible enforcement (false).
The truth of the first point shouldn’t wash out the second point. Yes, if Trump gets compliance of the military to support whatever he wants, then he can absolutely form a military junta and spit out new Constitutional amendments via tweet, and threaten to invade states that don’t comply.
No, he can’t put himself on state electoral ballots to run for a 3rd term in violation of the 12th and 22nd amendment. That’s not just him doing unconstitutional things, it’s compelling states to do unconstitutional things.
No because that is something we can actually have a discussion about. What is the law that governes this particular instance. What caveats to that law might Trump exploit. What have lawyers said about the probability of that holding up in court?
No he can do anything he wants. Not so much.
They are different that thread is talking about the proliferation of Trump threads, and the fact that discussions of Trump are taking over threads that aren’t even about him. This is a complaint that the argument that Trump can do anything devolves every thread about Trump into the same unanswerable differing opinions eliminating any specific interest that thread originally had.
Imagine that there was an asteroid that was heading towards earth and there was a debate between astronomers as to whether or not it would hit us. If I wanted to talk about who were potential Oscar winners were, or what was going to happen on the next season of the Bear, but in every one of these threads a few people jumped in and said there isn’t going to be an next season or Oscars because the world is going to be destroyed the asteroid is going to destroy us all, and so those threads and every other thread about the future just became another will the asteroid destroy us thread.
Well, actually…
I started that other thread, and I probably didn’t do a good enough job of writing the title of it. The real focus of my OP was on the second point you describe (i.e., the focus of this thread), but probably due to my vaguer-than-it-should-have-been title, that thread morphed into how you described it here.
Sorry, I guess I didn’t read your OP closely enough. I didn’t mean to tread on already covered ground. Its not as if this thread is doing much better about keeping on topic. But its the pit whatcha gonna do.
Some people are talking about blowing up the moon…
(Mr. Show sketch; 3:55 and very funny - YouTube)
But you can’t post in sign language here so it doesn’t count.
Only if it doesn’t tip over first.
So here are some reasons I am hopeful that things won’t be ‘as’ bad as we are worried they will be.
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Both Biden and Obama have appointed a lot of district and appellate court judges. The SCOTUS is highly conservative, but most cases are determined at the appellate level, the SCOTUS doesn’t take up most of the cases offered to them. Judges may slow down Trump’s agenda.
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The GOP only has a 2 seat majority in the house. 220-215. If they lose 3 votes in the house, they can’t pass a bill. Repealing the ACA in 2017 saw 21 republicans vote against it. The 2017 Trump tax cuts had 13 republicans vote against it. The razor thin margin makes me think things like repealing the ACA are not likely in 2025 or 2026.
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Thune is the senate majority leader, supposedly he is not a trump sycophant.
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Multiple blue states are preparing for ways to resist the Trump administration
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Foreign nations like Canada, Mexico, China, etc are already signaling they will stand up to the Trump administration.
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Considering how narrow the house margin is, and the fact that the presidents party tends to lose seats in midterms, there is a reasonable chance the democrats win the house in 2026.
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In 2016 he ran on deporting all the immigrants, and he never did. Maybe it’ll be different this time, who knows. But he didn’t do it the first time.