# The Arizona "audit" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 20, 2021, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239 "2021-08-20T21:16:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/101 "2021-11-23T19:27:19Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > This is very sad. Apparently Doug Logan, CEO of Cyber Ninjas, is two million dollars in debt because of the audit. Hmm, you’d think that someone so obsessed with counting things would have noticed this sooner. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/102 "2021-11-23T19:33:35Z")
I think it’s time for that CEO to bite the bullet, pull himself up by his bootstraps, refocus his priorities, turn his company around and get back to doing the things that the Cyber Ninjas were good at. Anyone know what that was? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/103 "2021-11-23T20:23:39Z")
Well before they pivoted to become untrained and inexperienced election auditors, the company was involved in app security; training, consultancy, and vulnerability assessments (including penetration testing). They might have even been competent at those things, which are 99% unrelated to what they were hired to do in Arizona. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/104 "2021-11-23T20:32:28Z")
Well he’d better hope they were good at it. And maybe change the name of the company. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/105 "2021-11-23T20:56:02Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Cyber Ninja doesn’t have any way to make money other than begging for donations from brainwashed marks, and he just had his _twelfth_ child. Are they sure? I think they need to do a recount. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/106 "2021-11-23T21:00:51Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > (including penetration testing) Cue Beavis & Butthead snickering… ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/107 "2021-11-23T22:32:36Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Are they sure? I think they need to do a recount. Maybe they shouldn’t. They might discover they got even more children than they thought. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/108 "2021-11-24T14:55:39Z")
I’ll send him a consolation card printed on bamboo paper. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/109 "2021-11-24T14:58:31Z")
Yeah, the Cyber Ninja stuff is good for a hearty belly laugh but the next round of audits after the 2024 election won’t be nearly as funny. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/110 "2021-11-24T15:34:17Z")
We laugh lest we cry. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/111 "2021-11-24T17:04:34Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > Yeah, the Cyber Ninja stuff is good for a hearty belly laugh but the next round of audits after the 2024 election won’t be nearly as funny. They won’ bother recounting the next time. The legislature will simply reverse the results. Incidentally, a heavily gerrymandered state could simply assign EVs by congressional district the way Maine and Nebraska do now (with 2 at large votes) and cook the books that way. Perfectly legal. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/112 "2021-11-25T03:57:07Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > They won’ bother recounting the next time. They won’t even bother counting the next time. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/113 "2021-11-25T04:17:51Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > They won’ bother recounting the next time. The legislature will simply reverse the results. No, the Republicans are more image savvy than that. The last thing they want is to have to very publicly overturn the clear results of the popular vote in their state. They balked at that in 2020 because it was too late and too transparent, but now they’re getting ahead of the curve for 2024. The goal of the audits is to give them a way to sew doubt and confusion over what the legitimate outcome of the election was. It will afford them a veneer of legitimacy with a process that will either hand them victory or so muddy the waters that the state legislature will have to reluctantly step in and decide the matter (for the Republican candidate, of course). ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/114 "2021-11-25T18:41:33Z")
I hope there’ll be just as much barking pushback, then, on any GOP electoral victories in swing states in 22/24. Yes - sinking to their level, not to mention sowing further muddied chaos - but giving them a taste of their medicine should hopefully not just ramp up awareness of what these John Eastman-infected legislatures will be up to, but also to effect legal challenges to hopefully counter such shenanigans. (huh - two "but"s in the same sentence.) Yeah, messy as shit. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/115 "2021-11-25T19:09:48Z")
It is impossible to shame Republicans. They lack the necessary self awareness and honesty. “While one who sings with his tongue on fire Gargles in the rat race choir Bent out of shape from society’s pliers Cares not to come up any higher But rather get you down in the hole That he’s in” - Bobby D “It’s Alright Ma” ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/116 "2022-01-07T17:00:35Z")
aaawww and we hardly “knew’ye”. [# Cyber Ninjas says it’s ‘shutting down’ after Arizona judge fines it $50,000 a day in audit records fight](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/firm-behind-phony-trump-backed-arizona-election-audit-shuts-down-after-judge-orders-50000-daily-fine-1280892/) > [@](#): > > Judge Hannah imposed a $50,000 daily fine on Cyber Ninjas until the company can produce the requested records. Hannah noted that the fine could potentially apply not only to the company as a whole, but to individuals, among them former CEO Doug Logan, an election fraud conspiracy theorist who [wrote a paper](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/17/politics/arizona-audit-cyber-ninjas-logan-invs/index.html) on behalf of GOP senators objecting to Congress certifying Joe Biden’s election win. That amount was fifty times greater than the $1,000 fine requested by a lawyer for the _Arizona Republic_ . > [@](#): > > “The court is not going to accept the assertion that Cyber Ninjas is an empty shell and that no one is responsible for seeing that it complies,” Hannah said. Can’t get the Rolling Stones article to link here for some reason - enjoy its quotes, then. Someone else can try. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/117 "2022-01-07T17:12:08Z")
Your link is fine; RS prolly just didn’t provide the preview HTML code for this article. The article is paywalled, tho. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/118 "2022-01-07T17:13:33Z")
CyberNinjas slink away in bankrupt ignominy. Trump supporters: “Never give up! Never surrender!” ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/119 "2022-01-07T17:23:33Z")
Seems to link fine for me, including the preview: > **[Firm Behind Trump-Backed Arizona Election 'Audit' Shuts Down After Judge...](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/firm-behind-phony-trump-backed-arizona-election-audit-shuts-down-after-judge-orders-50000-daily-fine-1280892/)** > > Maricopa Superior Court Judge John Hannah ordered Cyber Ninjas to pay $50,000 a day until it can produce records requested by a local newspaper ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2022, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239/120 "2022-01-07T17:28:25Z")
Link is fine and I don’t get a paywall. I’m on my phone but I do have some sort of ad blocker on it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239.md?page=7)