# The Arizona recount--reactions? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 18, 2021, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378 "2021-05-18T16:19:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/41 "2021-05-21T22:59:55Z")
Ahhh, beer! Happy cake day! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2021, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/42 "2021-05-21T23:17:26Z")
Heck, they’re all grain products, amirite? As Fred Sanford used to say, “Beer is just corn flakes in a can.” ---
**Author:** ![Jumpbass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jumpbass/32/147_2.png) [@Jumpbass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jumpbass)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2021, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/43 "2021-05-22T22:41:13Z")
A hydraulic sandwich. (An?) ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/44 "2021-05-23T15:50:49Z")
This. This is the tactic they’ve settled on for '24. The nicely gerrymandered legislatures in swing states are preparing to refuse to certify results in their heavily blue counties. Pennsylvania (Philadelphia and Allegany), Wisconsin (Milwaukee and Dane), Michigan (Wayne), North Carolina (Wake and Mecklenburg) and Georgia (Fulton et al) will all be targeted and it could work. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/45 "2021-05-23T23:06:54Z")
Oops, forgot Arizona (Maricopa). ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/46 "2021-05-25T01:05:01Z")
The recount started up again today: > **[What to know as ballot counting at the Arizona audit resumed Monday](https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2021/05/23/arizona-audit-what-know-ballot-recount-set-resume-monday/5233868001/)** > > On Sunday morning, the contractors hired by the Senate moved the county's ballots from a storage building on the fairgrounds property to the coliseum. > [@](#): > > With nearly 500,000 ballots counted in the first month, the team will have to greatly increase the number of workers or hours, or both, to meet that goal. The original plan was to finish by May 14, when the break began. > > On Sunday morning, the contractors moved the county’s ballots from a storage building on the fairgrounds property where they were kept during the graduations back into the coliseum. > > Forty-four tables were set up Sunday in anticipation of ballot counting and 32 for ballot inspection, far more tables total than before the break. Previously, between 16 and 20 counting tables were used at once. > > Senate liaison Ken Bennett has said that the goal was to double the number of workers by the time the break was over, and add a third counting shift late at night. > [@](#): > > The Senate and Cyber Ninjas for weeks have refused to answer many questions about the audit, including how they are recruiting workers to count ballots. > > [The Arizona Republic obtained an email sent Thursday](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/story/news/local/arizona-investigations/2021/05/22/arizona-audit-trump-supporter-patrick-byrnes-nonprofit-help-choose-counters/5223698001/)that shows a nonprofit started by former Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne is handling background checks, non-disclosure agreements and volunteer agreements of audit workers. > > Byrne is an ardent supporter of former President Donald Trump who started Fund the Audit to raise money for the effort. > > Julie Fisher, Bennett’s assistant, sent the email to more than two dozen state and county Republican party officials. It revealed that the audit is now relying on volunteers to do the counting rather than paid staff and laid out the rules of a new vetting process for people who want to work at the audit. There’s more; it’s a fairly comprehensive article. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/47 "2021-05-25T01:19:14Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > [@From the Arizona Republic article](#): > > > > . . . a nonprofit started by former Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne is handling background checks, non-disclosure agreements and volunteer agreements of audit workers. Are these volunteers really working for free? Are they getting any kind of “compensation”? If not, is the non-disclosure agreement really a valid and enforceable contract? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/48 "2021-05-25T02:08:48Z")
> [@](#): > > …non-disclosure agreements… This was supposed to be the most transparent audit ever, wasn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/49 "2021-05-25T07:18:16Z")
At a public presentation last week, Cyber Ninjas CEO (and Trump conspiracy theorist) Doug Logan cited as part of his qualifications that his firm “worked with some of the largest names in the financial services space,” including Citibank and JP Morgan Chase. Three guesses as to how Citi and JPM replied when asked whether they had ever hired Cyber Ninjas. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/50 "2021-05-25T10:05:28Z")
I’ll take a stab at it, as if they acknowlged the connection: “Thes knucklesticks thought the State took too long to count in the first place? And were ineficient at it?” ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/51 "2021-05-25T12:34:45Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > At a public presentation last week, Cyber Ninjas CEO (and Trump conspiracy theorist) Doug Logan cited as part of his qualifications that his firm “worked with some of the largest names in the financial services space,” including Citibank and JP Morgan Chase. > > Three guesses as to how Citi and JPM replied when asked whether they had ever hired Cyber Ninjas. They said worked “with”, not worked “for”. They probably got really low introductory rates on their Citibank Rewards and Chase Sapphire credit cards. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/52 "2021-05-25T17:24:01Z")
There have been a lot of posts about the motivations for the recount, but ISTM that there are three pretty distinct sets of motives: 1. People who think there really was fraud and are determined to expose it. These are the low-level folks, which include people who would attend Trump rallies, and a significant number of state-level elected officials. There are a very few national-level elected officials in this group, such as Louis Gohmert. 2. People who just want to use the current outrage over perceived fraud, as an excuse to enact more voter suppression laws and thereby get elected again more easily. These are largely in the state legislatures, and quite a few in Congress. 3. People who know there was no significant fraud, but can’t say so because they’ll get Liz Chenied. This group is mostly the Rs in Congress who aren’t speaking out one way or the other. Trump himself is in group 1. I’m pretty sure he really does believe it, if only because his mental disorder doesn’t allow him to. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/53 "2021-05-27T14:59:05Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > Trump himself is in group 1. I’m pretty sure he really does believe it, if only because his mental disorder doesn’t allow him to. Yeah, probably so. He will never believe that he ever lost at anything. Can’t accept it. It must be a strange state of mind, because he cheats at golf (and everything, I suppose) to ‘win’. And I doubt that any of his staff dares to contradict him. Well, they only do it once. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/54 "2021-05-27T17:44:24Z")
I imagine this is the application form to volunteer for the Cyber Ninja counting team: 🤢 🙄 1. Are you a Republican? 2. Do you support Donald Trump for President? 3. Do you agree that the evil Democrats stole the election somehow? 4. Are you prepared to find the evidence of Democratic fraud? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/55 "2021-05-27T20:39:43Z")
Individual 1: " Arizona Republican State Senators are engendering such tremendous respect, even adoration, for the great job they are doing on the Forensic Audit of the 2020 Presidential Election Scam." > **[Arizona GOP's election 'audit' going far worse than Trump realizes](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/arizona-gop-s-election-audit-going-far-worse-trump-realizes-n1268655)** > > Trump believes the Arizona GOP's election "audit" is "engendering such tremendous respect, even adoration." Reality tells a very different story. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/56 "2021-05-27T21:12:26Z")
UM… _adoration_??? That’s a bit much. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/57 "2021-05-27T22:02:57Z")
But it’s the greatest thing in the world to receive, to Trump, so of course he’s going to tell them that they are adored. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/58 "2021-05-27T22:04:27Z")
I don’t believe trumpy composed that. First, because of the word “engendered” and second, because he admitted that someone besides himself could be adored. Smells fishy to me. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/59 "2021-05-27T22:05:49Z")
It’s just Trump being Trump. Bullies are all about flattery until it doesn’t work, then the threats start. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/60 "2021-05-27T23:24:22Z")
Yeah, engendered made me suspicious. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378.md?page=4)