# The Arizona recount--reactions? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 18, 2021, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378 "2021-05-18T16:19:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/141 "2021-06-16T00:02:53Z")
So apparently the recount has become a major tourist attraction for Republicans from all over the country. > **[Arizona election audit draws Republican tourists](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/558032-arizona-election-audit-draws-republican-tourists/)** > > The hottest new destination for political tourists this summer is a barren and crumbling arena surrounded by an empty parking lot, where off-duty law enforcement officials providing security lounge… ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/142 "2021-06-16T01:16:12Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I think that those dumb fucking Republicans have had enough of a lawsuit scare from Dominion that they regained just enough sense not to implicate the machine manufacturers. I think the Republican party is smart enough to not make accusations. It’s far easier to let Cyber Ninjas eventually make the allegations, and if they then get sued, well, the Cyber Ninjas are the ones subject to lawsuit, and until (and probably after) they are convicted in court, the Republicans can just say despite any ‘irregularities’ they are just reporting the facts that said company found Dominion machines were involved in the steal. Same way they are already playing. And by the time all the lawsuits play out, no one on the Republican side will care. Although, if Cyber Ninjas are smart, they’ll claim that they found many irregularities, but the ‘lack of cooperation’ with powers that be and the confusion engendered by the multiple moves of documentation prevent them from providing any definitive proof. That way, they take their grossly overinflated pay and ‘donations,’ provide all the outrage the Republican party feeds on, and still don’t have to make any claims that subject them to legal jeopardy. Win-win-win from their POV. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/143 "2021-06-16T12:37:55Z")
“We found a great deal of evidence of fraud. No, we’re not going to reveal the specifics.” ---
**Author:** ![gnagtcha1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@gnagtcha1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnagtcha1)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/144 "2021-06-16T12:46:07Z")
Looks like Rachel, NV has competition ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/145 "2021-06-16T18:22:07Z")
The Cyber Ninjas are an operative of the state Senate, who hired them. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2021, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/146 "2021-06-29T16:00:32Z")
Even if they’re an operative, they’re deniable, which has been a key part of the current Republican tactics. They can let sources that they aren’t directly liable for make claims, and then repeat the claims regardless of how libelous they may be, in that they’re just repeating what was being said, without commenting on the veracity of such claims. If Cyber Ninja’s get caught falsifying or otherwise manipulating info, they’ll just play the ‘how dare they mislead us’ card and _still_ be in the clear. Anyway, just came back to the thread to share - > **[Maricopa County will not reuse equipment turned over for partisan 2020 audit...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/29/politics/maricopa-county-equipment-audit/index.html)** > > Maricopa County, Arizona, announced Monday that it will not reuse any of the voting equipment that was in the hands of the contractors hired by the Republican-controlled state Senate to conduct its so-called audit of the 2020 presidential election... So I truly, truly hope the County sues the Cyber Ninjas for the cost to replace. Honestly, I doubt the Senate will allow that to happen, or at least, they’ll pay for any lawsuits that come from an attempt to recover, but wanted to wish Maricopa County luck. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/147 "2021-07-15T10:42:28Z")
Here’s what the fraudit is costing Maricopa County: $3,000,000 > **[Arizona county to spend $3M on voting machines after audit](https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-government-and-politics-arizona-voting-election-2020-58e027040fbca3b72cfabf453c3b9f16)** > > PHOENIX (AP) — Arizona's largest county approved nearly $3 million Wednesday for new vote-counting machines to replace those used in the 2020 election, which were given to legislative Republicans for a partisan review of the results. ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/148 "2021-07-15T12:11:23Z")
And our dignity! This isn’t even the end of it. The legislature is bringing in yet other machines because they want to count the total number of ballots again I read somewhere (maybe here). If I am understanding this properly- that is three separate sets of machines: the ones used in the election that must be decommissioned because of Cyber Ninjas, the replacement machines in this article, and the ones the legislature wants to bring in (from where I wonder?) to just count the number of ballots without tabulating any results. I still believe the legislature will eventually start to steer into the skid and declare the 2020 election results - - - not fraudulent because they have constitutes who are not fully insane. (Not a huge majority of them, but a sizable portion of registered voters here get channels other than Newsmax and Fox.) ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/149 "2021-07-17T11:57:49Z")
What surprises me most about the findings revealed at the hearings on July 15 was what they did not talk about. I kind of expected some variation of “we found more votes than voters” as with the finding more ballots received than sent out (they obviously counted the wrong things) and the “OMG, the machines might have been connected to the internet!” but, after all this time, they didn’t even give the result of their hand count. And, what about the examination of the paper used in the ballots for bamboo? I thought the whole reason they needed the “Cyber Ninjas” on the job was because they thought that the tabulators from Dominion were somehow counting votes for Trump as votes for Biden. Wouldn’t the hand count reveal if that was the case? If the hand count agrees with the official count, doesn’t that make the whole strategy of attacking Dominion kind of misplaced? As for their getting the numbers of ballots sent out and ballots received so totally wrong, that should put to bed any belief that these clown knew what they were doing. As for their conclusion that in order to determine whether any fraud took place they would have to go door-to-door and canvass (harass?) voters to find out who each citizen voted for, that is really going too far. If that is the only way, I’d have to say that there is nothing there to find out. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/150 "2021-07-17T20:06:41Z")
Looks like my [prediction](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/4) was dead-on. From The Daily Kos: > As [CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-election-audit-need-information-report-results/) reports, Cyber Ninjas is now complaining that they “don’t have enough information” to complete the audit. Because getting to finger every single ballot, take control of the voting machines (which will [now be discarded](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/maricopa-county-will-need-new-voting-machines-after-gop-s-n1268090) after the auditors did who knows what to them), and initiating a plan to go door-to-door asking people how they voted just isn’t enough. As has happened several times in the process, the Ninjas, along with supporters in the Arizona Senate, are directing fingers at the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors—the Republican-controlled Board of Supervisors—for failing to “cooperate” enough in an audit where they’ve turned over every ballot, every machine, and every scrap of paper related to the election. That’s not enough, say the Ninjas. They want … well, it might be easier to say what they don’t want. > > Until they get everything on their unreasonable list, and whatever unreasonable list comes after this, the “auditors” insist that they are not going to issue a report. Since July 2, all the ballots, machines, and accoutrements of Ninjaing have been parked at an unairconditioned building on the Arizona state fairgrounds. It’s unclear whether anyone is actually working there. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/151 "2021-07-17T22:12:52Z")
Here’s the wonderful last paragraph of [the CBS News story](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-election-audit-need-information-report-results/): > Meanwhile, a Maricopa County judge ruled Thursday that records about the audit are public documents under the state’s open records law, rejecting an argument by lawyers for the Senate that records maintained by Cyber Ninjas and other private firms do not need to be publicly released. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/152 "2021-07-17T22:42:37Z")
_We were supposed to maintain records??!!_ ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2021, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/153 "2021-07-17T22:57:02Z")
The documents reveal their donors. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2021, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/154 "2021-07-18T02:52:33Z")
The sheriff of Barry County, Michigan, which went for Individual 1 overwhelmingly, is trying to do his own private audit of the votes. > **[Pro-Trump Sheriff's 'Ludicrous' Voting Probe Denounced by Local Clerk](https://www.newsweek.com/pro-trump-sheriffs-ludicrous-voting-probe-denounced-private-investigators-question-clerks-1610743)** > > Michigan's Barry County Sheriff Dar Leaf launched the investigation despite Trump winning there by double digits. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/155 "2021-08-23T21:55:38Z")
The report has been delayed. Surprise! The next excuse will be: “The report was all finished, and then the dog ate it.” > **[Arizona's sham election 'audit' report delayed after Cyber Ninjas CEO and...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/23/politics/arizona-election-audit-report-delayed-cyber-ninjas-covid/index.html)** > > The report detailing the findings of contractors who conducted Arizona's sham "audit" of last year's election results -- which had been expected Monday -- will be late because three of the five members of the auditing team have tested positive for... ---
**Author:** ![DirtyHippy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dirtyhippy/32/107_2.png) [@DirtyHippy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DirtyHippy)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/156 "2021-08-24T00:46:10Z")
One of Biden’s dogs. Thanks, Joe! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/157 "2021-08-24T00:47:12Z")
Sad to share this, but one of Joe’s dogs died recently. (Probably from eating that poisonous report.) ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/158 "2021-08-24T00:54:24Z")
Seems we have two threads discussing this… > [@The Arizona "audit"](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-audit/949239): > > Supposedly, the report drops Monday. Everyone is saying it can’t be trusted. What if the report says that Biden actually did win Arizona? Are the redumblicans going to say “Well, you said it can’t be trusted. So, that means Trump really did win Arizona.” It’s a dumb position. But I wouldn’t put it past them. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/159 "2021-08-24T03:01:29Z")
My guess will be that there will be three main points to the report. 1. Numbers produced as the result of the audit were different from the official numbers (in the same way that the sums you get from your 3 grade son are different from those that you get from your accountant). Therefore the official numbers can’t be trusted. 2. We couldn’t prove that fraud didn’t happen. 3. We weren’t given the unrestricted access that we asked for there which hampered our ability to prove the fraud, which suggests that there was a coverup. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378/160 "2021-09-24T15:39:36Z")
> **[Cyber Ninjas agree: Joe Biden won Arizona](https://www.yahoo.com/news/maricopa-county-draft-cyber-ninjas-041918195.html)** > > The results of a messy, months-long Republican effort to re-examine the results of the 2020 election were unveilved to the state Senate Friday. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-arizona-recount-reactions/942378.md?page=9)