# The Asshole Motherfucking Murderous Criminal Hawthorne Cops Who Killed the Rottweiler **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2013, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419 "2013-07-02T04:13:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/241 "2013-07-09T20:45:14Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I don’t think he got arrested for videotaping the cops. if you were paying attention, you would notice that the guys that videotaped the dog getting shot were also videotaping the cops and you will also notice that there were several other people videotaping the cops. > > That jackass didn’t get arrested for videotaping. Its not clear to me why he was arrested but it seems clear that he knew he was provoking the cops and his carelessness with his dog ended up getting his dog killed. That’s kind of funny, lecturing a professional cinematographer on what is captured when a camera is aimed at something. Thank you, I was paying attention. The man who was arrested whose dog was shot was standing closer to the officers on the sidewalk. See, here’s how it works. [Cops] \<----------- [Man with dog] \<----------[Camera shooting footage we saw] The only reason we saw anything is that people who were NOT as close were also shooting footage. No surprise that the person standing closest was arrested. Were there a dozen officers, they may well have spread out and arrested everyone holding a video capture device. As it is, the two officers went after the person with the closest proximity to them. Just a theory, but my WAG is that the reason the situation did not escalate into all video recording users being arrested is that it escalated in a very different tangent very quickly into something the officers wanted to get away from- a cop shooting a dog and watching is spasm until dead. The people video recording the incident likely were ignored as a result of this timeline. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2013, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/242 "2013-07-09T21:50:18Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > And I agree that imparting that skill set to LEOs would be problematic. Well, thanks for saying that, I think some people here want cops to have training for some very special circumstances that almost never arise when they don’t even have the time or money for training for situation that arise all the time. > [@](#): > > But back to the “could have” – I maintain it is “should have”. …any cop with the brains bog gave green apples should have (IM not so HO) just said “Oh hell, go grab your dog and put it up before something unfortunate happens, then we’ll get back to your detention”. When do you think this should have happened? In the 5 or 6 seconds when the dog came running over to the cops or in the 5 or 6 seconds when the dog was barking at the cops? Check the timing. They didn’t have time to sit back, assess the situation and make well analyzed thought out decisions. They had a large dog running at them. If you’ve got a large dog it is your responsibility to not put him in situations where he will get shot. It is not the cops responsibility to find some way to not shoot the dog. > [@](#): > > Not because procedure allowed it, or his/her training required it, but simply because it would obviously (to nearly anyone) be the right thing to do. And the dog would still be alive. This is not obvious to me at all. I consider myself reasonable but if a dog is running at me, my reation would not be a nonplussed “oh, hell go grab your dog and lock it in your car” or anything like that. I would be reacting to the dog, and frabnkly I would have shot the dog as soon as it hit the ground after it jumped out of the car. ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2013, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/243 "2013-07-10T21:22:32Z")
Different angle and closer vid of the [incident.](http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=256_1373408203&comments=1#comments) FYI: You don’t see the dog get shot. It stops right before it happens. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/244 "2013-07-11T04:22:54Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > Different angle and closer vid of the [incident.](http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=256_1373408203&comments=1#comments) I think the angle paints a very different picture, especially as it captures some of the verbal interaction between the dog owner and the police. It demonstrates how fast the interaction was. The owner wasn’t helping by shouting at the police during the time, rather than being calm himself. People have said he was arrested for filming the police, or for filming while being black, but you can see how confrontational \*he \*was. The crowds were back on the other side of the street and even the person who was filming on this side of the street was further back. I’m not fan of the police in many circumstances. I do think that police are often far too fast to arrest or tazer. I have been struck by the patience of Japanese police at times. There is much more of a “law and order” sense in America, and I don’t know if that is the difference. Anyway, this guy seemed to be wanting to push the police, and I don’t know how many warnings a guy needs to be given, but I’m not going to lay the blame on the men in blue. For the shooting, as others have said, officers are not dog whisperers. The dog was lunging at the police and they did what they had to do. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/245 "2013-07-11T11:01:03Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > but I can see for myself what happened: the dog leaped. Have you ever spent time with dogs? Do you interpret every time they leap as an attack? I find this a strange thing. I’m pretty sure that if I, a law abiding citizen, leaped at a cop then I would have a less than zero chance of getting shot. Why are you surprised that a rottweiler got even less benefit of the doubt? ---
**Author:** ![Dumbguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dumbguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dumbguy)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/246 "2013-07-11T23:34:18Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Well the LAPD has a horrible reputation so there is a tendency among the population to interpret things in the light least favorable to the LAPD. Oh, those poor dears. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/247 "2013-07-12T01:21:06Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > I find this a strange thing. I’m pretty sure that if I, a law abiding citizen, leaped at a cop then I would have a less than zero chance of getting shot. Why are you surprised that a rottweiler got even less benefit of the doubt? Because dogs leap up on people all the time in a completely friendly (if annoying) way. People do not. Especially people who don’t know each other. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/248 "2013-07-12T03:03:22Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Because dogs leap up on people all the time in a completely friendly (if annoying) way. People do not. Especially people who don’t know each other. In that situation, my money is on the cute little doggie just wanting to play. How could the police possibly have misunderstood that? ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/249 "2013-07-12T08:32:43Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Because dogs leap up on people all the time in a completely friendly (if annoying) way. People do not. Especially people who don’t know each other. People hug each other all the time. Pretty sure in a tense situation I am not going to try and hug a cop, he might misinterpret the act. This is a very stupid argument, and I suspect you are better equiped for being stupid so I won’t get too deep into it. But at the end of the day, if there is a tense, hostile situation involving the police then it will never be a good idea to have a freaking rottweiler involved. Your fuzzy little brain might default to “all dogs are cuddly furballs”, but I don’t blame the cops here for not wanting to wait and see if the dog was dangerous or not, they have enough on their plate without that. ---
**Author:** ![Gestalt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/90ced4/32.png) [@Gestalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gestalt)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/250 "2013-07-12T08:40:06Z")
Does anyone who watched the full video (which shows the dog post-shot) agree that the police had a duty to give the dog a clean kill after they saw it suffering? I am honestly asking . . . is that outside the range of ability of an average policeman? Or were the officers negligent in letting it stumble and shake like that? Honestly, if the cop had shot the dog and it died instantly, I doubt this video would provoke half the outrage that it has. Upon reflection, I agree with those who say that the cop was within his rights to shoot the dog, but it really upsets me how they shot him. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/251 "2013-07-12T08:59:19Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > if there is a tense, hostile situation involving the police then it will never be a good idea to have a freaking rottweiler involved. You find the cops casually walking up to a man who offers himself to be arrested is a “tense, hostile” situation? You must be quite the delicate flower. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/252 "2013-07-12T09:03:46Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > You find the cops casually walking up to a man who offers himself to be arrested is a “tense, hostile” situation? You must be quite the delicate flower. I assume any arrest situation to be a tense situation yes, I hear many arrests can turn difficult very quickly. Strange I know. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/253 "2013-07-12T09:11:09Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > When do you think this should have happened? In the 5 or 6 seconds when the dog came running over to the cops or in the 5 or 6 seconds when the dog was barking at the cops? Check the timing. They didn’t have time to sit back, assess the situation and make well analyzed thought out decisions. They had a large dog running at them. If you’ve got a large dog it is your responsibility to not put him in situations where he will get shot. It is not the cops responsibility to find some way to not shoot the dog. It should have happened when the cops elected to _approach_ the dog instead of ignoring the dog. No dog in an aggressive mode stops to sniff the ground. Period. And while we all know that dogs are more than capable of actually killing people in situations where they have time and opportunity to do their worst, in _this_ situation, with multiple police officers standing there with multiple guns with a dog that has already shown he’s both easily controlled and easily distracted, talking about the dog as though it was itself as fast and lethal as a gun is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/254 "2013-07-12T09:14:22Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > This is a very stupid argument, and I suspect you are better equiped for being stupid so I won’t get too deep into it. You just made my day with that comment! Actually, it’s severely understating how well-equiped for being stupid the OP is. > [@](#): > > But at the end of the day, if there is a tense, hostile situation involving the police then it will never be a good idea to have a freaking rottweiler involved. Your fuzzy little brain might default to “all dogs are cuddly furballs”, but I don’t blame the cops here for not wanting to wait and see if the dog was dangerous or not, they have enough on their plate without that. They could already see that dog wasn’t exactly under the owner’s effective control. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/255 "2013-07-12T09:24:21Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > I assume any arrest situation to be a tense situation yes, I hear many arrests can turn difficult very quickly. Strange I know. It is very strange to view everything in such simplistic terms, very sad to be unable to assess anything more advanced than “police-handcuffs-bad-dog-bad-shoot-good” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/256 "2013-07-12T09:25:00Z")
p.s. The cops could see that dog wasn’t under effective control even before they arrested the moron-in-question. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/257 "2013-07-12T09:37:58Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > It is very strange to view everything in such simplistic terms If only I could view everything in multicoloured and different sized fonts, life would be so much better. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/258 "2013-07-12T10:29:56Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > If only I could view everything in multicoloured and different sized fonts, life would be so much better. Absolutely:D…anything that brings a little color, a little variety to life is to be embraced. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/259 "2013-07-12T16:05:54Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > It is very strange to view everything in such simplistic terms, very sad to be unable to assess anything more advanced than “police-handcuffs-bad-dog-bad-shoot-good” Yes, you should be sad since you can not assess anything more advanced than, “dog good. cop bad.” It’s hilarious to watch you accuse others of the shit that you do all the time. And not just in this thread. > [@Stoid](#): > > Absolutely:D…anything that brings a little color, a little variety to life is to be embraced. Agreed. All posts sho[SIZE=“1”]uld[/SIZE] be multi-colored and multi-sized because that makes it so much better. ---
**Author:** ![bobkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobkitty)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/260 "2013-07-12T16:25:55Z")
> [@Gestalt](#): > > Does anyone who watched the full video (which shows the dog post-shot) agree that the police had a duty to give the dog a clean kill after they saw it suffering? (raising hand) I believe that is the least you can do for any being that you take the life of, whether you are hunting deer in the woods or taking out a serial killer that broke into your house. One more bullet was the right thing to do in this case. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419.md?page=14)