# The Asshole Motherfucking Murderous Criminal Hawthorne Cops Who Killed the Rottweiler **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2013, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419 "2013-07-02T04:13:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/41 "2013-07-02T16:42:14Z")
> [@panaccione](#): > > The dog was 80 pounds. Not exactly a giant. Again, it’s sad that you feel that way. It takes guts to face a little violence and act with restraint. That’s the opposite of we saw here and the opposite of what we should expect from police officers. You have no idea what kind of damage an 80 pound dog can do. An 80-pound dog IS a giant, as dogs go, and can exert over 300 pounds of force when it bites. That’s enough for a single bite to require reconstructive surgery, you idiot – like a defensive lineman standing on a pair of sharpened dentures placed over your arm. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/42 "2013-07-02T16:46:26Z")
> [@Strainger](#): > > So there’s plenty of outrage over this incident, but it’s actually a pretty regular occurrence. In the U.S., cops shoot dogs on average about 2-3 times/week based on what I was seeing on the Facebook page “Please, Mr. Policeman, don’t shoot my dog” before it got so depressing to me that I had to unfollow it. Frequently the dogs are shot without posing a threat–while the owner is getting control of it, while retreating, while on a leash in its own backyard, etc. I understand why you’d stop following that page, but why on Earth did you start? > [@panaccione](#): > > The dog was 80 pounds. Not exactly a giant. Again, it’s sad that you feel that way. It takes guts to face a little violence and act with restraint. That’s the opposite of we saw here and the opposite of what we should expect from police officers. Your parents must be so proud of what kind of idiot you grew up to be. ---
**Author:** ![Laudenum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Laudenum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laudenum)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/43 "2013-07-02T16:47:40Z")
> [@panaccione](#): > > **Debaser** and everyone else here defending the police actions can blow it out your ass. > > I’ll grant that it could have been a threat, but most certainly NOT a deadly one. I can even admit that the owner is at fault for not properly restraining his dog, but people do make mistakes and the dog did not deserve that kind of punishment. For fucks sake, the owner put him away in the car. I highly doubt he thought the dog was going to jump out the window. > > You had a handful of officers versus one dog. You don’t think for a second they could have used some other means to defuse the situation, say their billy clubs, mace, or tazers. > > \*\*No, instead they shot the dog down because those cops are COWARDS. Plain and simple. They were scared of a little bite, so they just killed it instead. \*\* > > It’s pretty sad how some of you are able to place all of the blame entirely on the owner and yet excuse the blatant murder of a dog by the police. Why should they get bit just to save the life of an attack dog that was, after all, attacking? A bite from a rottweiller is no laughing matter, particularly if it drags you to the ground. That being said, what the hell were they doing approaching the dog when it was clearly aggravated? ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/44 "2013-07-02T16:49:47Z")
> [@panaccione](#): > > The dog was 80 pounds. Not exactly a giant. He’d crap bigger than you. **Stoid** , you want to clear anything up here? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/45 "2013-07-02T16:56:34Z")
> [@panaccione](#): > > **Debaser** and everyone else here defending the police actions can blow it out your ass. > > I’ll grant that it could have been a threat I havent watched the video (its restricted for content) but thats should be the end of the analysis. > [@](#): > > You had a handful of officers versus one dog. You don’t think for a second they could have used some other means to defuse the situation, say their billy clubs, mace, or tazers. I’m generally in favor of letting cops (or anyone really) shoot any unrestrained dogs that comes charging at them. I’m not really sure that a video of a bunch of cops beating a dog with billy clubs is going to make you any less upset. > [@](#): > > It’s pretty sad how some of you are able to place all of the blame entirely on the owner and yet excuse the blatant murder of a dog by the police. Well the cops were acting in self defense, a civilian in the same situation could have done the same thing. These cops aren’t gettign away with anything that you or I wouldn’t be able to do. If you can’t blame the owner and you can’t blame the cops then i suppose you have to blame the dog. Evil dog, got what was coming to it. > [@panaccione](#): > > Yeah, those things do apply. Maybe not according to the law, but to a moral human being. I don’t know if this is LAPD but if they are staying within the bounds of the law, they are way ahead of the curve as far as LAPD goes. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I think the take home lesson here for all potential criminals is clear. > > You can kill men. You can kill women. You can even kill children. You can kill entire families. > > But when you’re killing an entire family, make sure you don’t hurt their dog. That will upset people. > [@Debaser](#): > > No kidding. There really should be a name for this mental disorder that some people have causing them to value dogs more than humans. So I did a google search for “animal lover mental disorder” and I got some disturbing results. ---
**Author:** ![panaccione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@panaccione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panaccione)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/46 "2013-07-02T17:02:21Z")
Bullshit. There were three cops standing around. Two of them held the handcuffed suspect while the other pulled out a gun and killed it. Plenty of other cops in the immediate vicinity. I suspect he could have pulled out his billy club or flashlight and held the dog at bay with ease, while he waited for some back-up. I did the same thing with a Nerf baseball bat before when a dog approached me. I think I was a teen-ager back then. I’ve even seen videos of Lion tamers who use long poles to hold them at bay. Now, instead of defusing the situation like cops are supposed to do, the city is outraged. Seems like mostly everyone outside of the smug members here at the SD would agree with me, and not you. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/47 "2013-07-02T17:04:33Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > **Stoid** , you want to clear anything up here? Have you met **Stoid**? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/48 "2013-07-02T17:08:44Z")
Whoa…from reading the initial posts I thought the cops shot a puppy. This was an 80 lb Rottweiler??? And it was charging at the cops? (Obviously I haven’t seen the video, nor do I have any intention of watching it) That’s a damned big dog, and a Rottweiler can be a serious threat. It’s hard for me to see how anyone could be blaming the cops based on what I’m seeing from the seemingly saner posters in this thread. The guy who was to blame is the guy who injected himself into a situation that had nothing to do with him, and brought a large dog along as well. What the hell was this guy thinking, interfering in an ongoing police investigation and bringing a Rottweiler in to boot?? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/49 "2013-07-02T17:10:42Z")
You know who else loved dogs? Hitler. Because that was what this train wreck of a thread was lacking. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/50 "2013-07-02T17:13:41Z")
seems like the cops should have the Dog Whisperer or Harry Potter. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/51 "2013-07-02T17:13:46Z")
> [@panaccione](#): > > I did the same thing with a Nerf baseball bat before when a dog approached me. I think I was a teen-ager back then. I’ve even seen videos of Lion tamers who use long poles to hold them at bay. Oh for fuck’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/52 "2013-07-02T17:30:31Z")
> [@panaccione](#): > > Bullshit. …I suspect he could have pulled out his billy club or flashlight and held the dog at bay with ease You suspect???:dubious: > [@](#): > > Now, instead of defusing the situation like cops are supposed to do, the city is outraged. Seems like mostly everyone outside of the smug members here at the SD would agree with me, and not you. Well the LAPD has a horrible reputation so there is a tendency among the population to interpret things in the light least favorable to the LAPD. I don’t think that most people agree with you. It may be that most of the people you know agree with you. it may be that most people who are posting on [CNN.com](http://CNN.com) agree with you but thats no more a poll than the ones than the online polls that Bill O Reilly or the Ed Show has. Most people think that people are allowed to shoot a dog rather than get bitten by a rottweiler. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/53 "2013-07-02T17:44:38Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > The dog was literally airborn and in progress of attacking them. How exactly can this be “defused” by any actions of the officers? The defusing part comes before the dog attacks. Maybe four cops surrounding a handcuffed man looked like a dogfight to the poor dog. He did what any dog would do. > [@](#): > > They were in a tough situation. They managed to keep the handcuffed guy in custody and under control, Part of my criticism is that the guy wasn’t putting up much resistance if any. > [@](#): > > and were able to defend themselves from the attacking dog. It looks to me like they are well trained based on the video. It was a job well done. A handcuffed man isn’t going to run very far. He certainly couldn’t get back in his car and drive off. Unless the guy was instructing the dog to bite, the logical move would have been to take a few steps back away from the handcuffed guy. The dogs aggressiveness level might drop if he sees the cops step away from his master. That would also give the dumbshit a chance to save the dog’s life by calming it down. THAT’s where I thought that the cops failed. Once the dog lunges though there’s no coming back. That’s a dog breed that is very affectionate but also extremely loyal and has a build capable of inflicting a lot of medical damage. So my criticism is how the cops operated BEFORE the dog attacked. During the attack they did what they had to do. ---
**Author:** ![AnthonyElite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@AnthonyElite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnthonyElite)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/54 "2013-07-02T17:45:31Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > No kidding. There really should be a name for this mental disorder that some people have causing them to value dogs more than humans. Well, consider me one of them. The problem that I have is that SO many people treat animals like they have NO value that they need someone in their corner. Women? Children? The elderly? Don’t worry, everyone will speak up. Pets? Wild animals? Not so much. For pet owners, at least as I see it, it is getting sickening and frightening. Yes, I know they are “just” animals…but so are humans. I really just don’t understand the anti-pet, anti-animal crowd. Enjoy your sterile universe, one giant paved lot, where nothing grows, nothing happens, and no one is happy…but its SAFE! Gloriously SAFE! ---
**Author:** ![AnthonyElite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@AnthonyElite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnthonyElite)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/55 "2013-07-02T17:50:19Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Oh for fuck’s sake. Yes, it is terribly strange to adapt tactics that actual animal handlers would use. Are you mentally deficient? These are grown men and women that are supposed to be physically fit. There are several of them. With billy clubs, mace, tazers…yet the only way they can keep a 50-75lb dog back is to kill it with a gun? ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/56 "2013-07-02T17:50:25Z")
> [@AnthonyElite](#): > > Well, consider me one of them. The problem that I have is that SO many people treat animals like they have NO value that they need someone in their corner. Women? Children? The elderly? Don’t worry, everyone will speak up. Pets? Wild animals? Not so much. > > For pet owners, at least as I see it, it is getting sickening and frightening. Yes, I know they are “just” animals…but so are humans. > > I really just don’t understand the anti-pet, anti-animal crowd. Enjoy your sterile universe, one giant paved lot, where nothing grows, nothing happens, and no one is happy…but its SAFE! Gloriously SAFE! Yes. Because there is no middle ground. You either want to save the dog and let the baby die or hardheartedly dispose of any animal as if it was trash. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/57 "2013-07-02T17:51:22Z")
> [@AnthonyElite](#): > > I really just don’t understand the anti-pet, anti-animal crowd. Enjoy your sterile universe, one giant paved lot, where nothing grows, nothing happens, and no one is happy…but its SAFE! Gloriously SAFE! Are you seeing that here? My sentiment and impression of that of others is disgust that a dog was killed because its owner callously put it in a dangerous situation. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/58 "2013-07-02T17:51:32Z")
I read the OP, and thought “Nobody can ever possibly post anything dumber than this.” Then **panaccione** came along and proved me wrong. > [@](#): > > Seems like mostly everyone outside of the smug members here at the SD would agree with me, and not you. Jesus loves you - everyone else thinks you’re a doofus. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/59 "2013-07-02T17:57:21Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > Yes. Because there is no middle ground. You either want to save the dog and let the baby die or hardheartedly dispose of any animal as if it was trash. :rolleyes: Exactly. Anyone who thinks this shooting was justified also literally wants to pave the rain forests. Also, this? > [@](#): > > The problem that I have is that SO many people treat animals like they have NO value that they need someone in their corner. Women? Children? The elderly? Don’t worry, everyone will speak up. Pets? Wild animals? Not so much. We must not be on the same planet. Just ask Michael Vick. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/60 "2013-07-02T17:58:17Z")
I’m not watching this video, as I am fond of big scary dogs. Mine were all rescued German Shepherds who were smarter than their original owners. They make fine family pets with the side benefit of being lethal weapons, and too many people refuse to allow for both characteristics so I don’t recommend them to anyone. Last week in NH, a pit bull (or alleged pit bull) clamped onto a guy’s leg and wouldn’t let go, and was also shot dead by a policeman on the spot. The woman owner is planning to sue for damages. You can be in the process of being actively mauled and have the owner fail to perceive the problem you’ve having with the dog, never mind expecting said owner to cope with it. And you have police often choosing a gun to remove a threat over other methods; the two things are in no way mutually exclusive and can run smack into each other in random places, and cause shitstorms like this one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419.md?page=4)