# The Asshole Motherfucking Murderous Criminal Hawthorne Cops Who Killed the Rottweiler **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 2, 2013, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419 "2013-07-02T04:13:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/161 "2013-07-03T15:48:15Z")
> [@EarthGurl101](#): > > Also I saw the video I saw that the cop was in the wrong and was undertrainded for this postion. What kind of traindening would have qualifiacated him for his postion? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/162 "2013-07-03T15:53:38Z")
> [@AnthonyElite](#): > > And what, exactly, makes us better than animals? We know how to work the microwave. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/163 "2013-07-03T15:53:46Z")
> [@AnthonyElite](#): > > And what, exactly, makes us better than animals? Fire? The Wheel? Opposable thumbs? Digital watches? ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/164 "2013-07-03T16:42:32Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Well, you’re certainly humiliating yourself here. > > Look, I love animals. I really do. I think they’re amazing. I realize that we’re also an animal. But in this world of ours, there are systems and food chains and we happen to be at the top based on thousands and millions and billions of years of evolution. But if I had to kill 100 or 1000 or 10,000 dogs to save one human life - it wouldn’t take me more than 2 seconds to make that decision. Sorry Rover, sucks to be you. What if that human was Hitler? :steeples fingers: ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/165 "2013-07-03T16:47:18Z")
And were covered in glue… Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/166 "2013-07-03T16:49:47Z")
No way… he killed his German Shepherd. ---
**Author:** ![bobkitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobkitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobkitty)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/167 "2013-07-03T16:57:32Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > No way… he killed his German Shepherd. That’s “German Sheperd.” 😛 ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/168 "2013-07-03T16:57:51Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You know who else loved dogs? Hitler. > [@MeanOldLady](#): > > What if that human was Hitler? :steeples fingers: OMG, Double Godwin! Did you see that! OMG! Double Godwin! \ ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/169 "2013-07-03T17:12:24Z")
The dogs owner has a legal right to video the police. If they had left him alone, this wouldn’t have happened. I don’t blame someone for shooting a dog that is trying to attack them, but the police put themselves in that situation. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/170 "2013-07-03T17:21:14Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Now that is a great debate waiting to happen: does the mere fact of being Homo sapiens mean you are more valuable, by definition, than any other creature? > > I guess I am a lunatic, because my answer is “no fucking way”. I could provide a long list of specific people and of specific kinds of people that I consider far less worthy than any random dog you could point to, much less any random elephant, whale, ape, etc. I do not believe this view is widely prevalent. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/171 "2013-07-03T17:26:50Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I do not believe this view is widely prevalent. You have a rather optimistic view of humanity, I think. The fact that so many people support the death penalty, for one, should suggest somewhat that many (perhaps most) people don’t regard all human life as having the same value, and I’d bet that those people would value the life of the family dog over such human life. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/172 "2013-07-03T17:31:08Z")
I stand by my characterization. Bat. Shit. Crazy. Sorry, but you animal rights wackos are just nuts. Honest question: Does this mental disorder have a name? Like Arachnophobia except instead of hating spiders, valuing animal life over human life? I hope you can get treatment to deal with your mental health issues. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/173 "2013-07-03T17:33:39Z")
> [@bobkitty](#): > > That’s “German Sheperd.” > > 😛 Schaeferhund. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/174 "2013-07-03T17:34:17Z")
Well, I personally don’t value the life of a dog over a human, but my impression is most people I’ve met will in some cases. People are nuts about their pets. I’ve had grown, tough men tell me that when their dog died, they cried more than when their own mother died. _shrug_ It’s a hell of a lot more common than you think. And the odd thing, it’s not the typical animal-rights lefty types who express these positions to me. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/175 "2013-07-03T17:35:27Z")
> [@bdgr](#): > > The dogs owner has a legal right to video the police. If they had left him alone, this wouldn’t have happened. I don’t blame someone for shooting a dog that is trying to attack them, but the police put themselves in that situation. The police have a legal right to cordon off an area around an armed robbery that just took place. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/176 "2013-07-03T17:40:09Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > You don’t need to be Cesar Milan to see that holding the dog’s master with his arms behind his back, crowding around him, and (I am guessing here, but I’ll lay high odds) shouting at the dog and the guy is going to make the dog less controlled and more likely to bite. And if the choice is releasing prisoners or shooting an aggressive dog, you shoot the dog. > [@BubbaDog](#): > > How do you read all of my comments in this thread and come away with the idea that I said the cops couldn’t defend themselves? Because I read all your comments. You keep faulting teh cops for self defense by insisting that they jump through a bunch of hoops and try all these other things before they defend themselves. I think they would have been justified in shooting the dog as soon as it jumped out of the car and started running towards the cops. > [@panaccione](#): > > Nonsense. Their first response was to shoot. They did not wait a while. The dog came out, approached them, and made a slight lunge/jump, and they shot it dead. You’re crazy. The dog starts barking. No shooting. The dog jumped out of the car. no shooting. The dog ran towards them. No shooting. The dog got aggressive and started barking and lunging at them. No shooting. One cop reaches out (maybe to grab the dog’s collar or something) the dog lunges again, dog gets shot and dies. Your characterization of the chain of events is mindnumbingly stupid. There was about 10 seconds between the dog running at the cops and the dog getting shot. It wasn’t their first response. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > A dog that attacks people who are attacking its master isn’t “aggressive”, it’s _loyal._ Would you have a dog killed for chasing off a burglar or a rapist? Too bad the cops weren’t raping the owner, in that concversation I would totally take the side of the dog owner. This particular loyal dog had a stupid owner that got the dog killed. > [@panaccione](#): > > I’m not denying that the dog was showing aggression. I’m simply saying the initial response by the police was out of line. > > Question for you: Do you think there initial response was reasonable or do you think they could have handled it better? I think they could have shot the dog as soon as it ran at them > [@forrusty](#): > > I call bullshit on all you cop sympathisers. Cops here in L.A HAVE BECOME THE NEW THUGS. They are the new gangbangers the biggest gang in L.A is LAPD. They kill indiscriminately and no one holds them accountable. I can’t remeber theast gang murder because their hasn’t been any. But everyday a cop kill an innoncent person. And I mean innoncent no exageration guilty of nothing and now this bloodlust has extended to mans bestfriend. Truly outrages. The LAPD have been thugs for at least 25 years, but they are mostly racial bigots, not species bigots. But the particular cop in this case was jsutified in shooting this particular dog. > [@Bricker](#): > > Since his owner was under arrest, the dog would continue to see his owner manhandled. > > Or should the police release his owner in order to calm the dog? I think that is exactly what some people have suggested (at least until animal control showed up to handle the dog). Its a crying shame that the dog died, but its not the cops fault. > [@EarthGurl101](#): > > For all the people standing up for those cops-YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT QUITE RIGHT IN THE HEAD. …And just because it is a dog doesnt mean noone should care because to some people their pets are family. Noone is saying that noone should care. In fact I think most people who sympathizes with the cops have made a point of blaming the owner and not the dog. But that doesn’t mean teh cops were murdereres for acting in self defense. > [@](#): > > Cops believe because they have a badge their dicks are ten inches bigger and they can do whatever the hell they want to do. These dumb fucks need to be stopped because they keep getting away with this all because the people who bow down to them and stand up for them you followers. If it was me, I would have shot the dog as soon as it started running towards me. I wouldn’t have let it get that close. > [@](#): > > and still the dog did not touch the cop or bite him. You don’t have to wait for the dog to bite you before you shoot it. I think you can shoot it when it starts running at you. > [@panaccione](#): > > What I’m seeing here is that no one is denying the owner is responsible for what happened to the dog. Even the people who sympathize with the owner/dog, recognize where he is in the wrong. > > What I am not seeing is people who sympathize with the cop claiming that he should bear some of the responsibility. “He had no choice.” “The owner got what was coming to him.” “It’s just a dog.” I haven’t seen anyone say “its just a dog” the PETA types seem to be reading that into anyone who doesn’t elevate shooting this dog to the level of shooting a small child. The cop was justified, there is nothing to equivocate about. If you have to assign blame, I would place 100% of the blame on the owner, I do not see where the cops did anything wrong. IMHO, if you don’t secure your dog and it gets shot, its your fault. > [@](#): > > Fuck that noise. That cop over-reacted and it was despicable what he did to that innocent dog. If he over-reacts in this situation, just imagine how he will act with people. If a guy with a knife came at him like that, I suspect he would have shot him a lot sooner. I certainly would have. > [@](#): > > Sorry, but I’d like to see our police officers showing a bit more restraint, reason, and patience for those around them. The job is a major responsibility and they deserve all the credit in the world for the good that they do. But, too many times they have failed us and continue to get a free pass. Anyone who fails to recognize this is simply doing us all a disservice. Except this is not one of those failures. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > It’s called a leash. It’s a couple bucks. Invest wisely, you irresponsible pricks. Your dog dies, it’s on you. Not the rest of society. Some people sort of equate animals with little children because they are both innocent and not really responsible for their actions. > [@EarthGurl101](#): > > The cop was protecting himself while the dog was protecting the owner who did no harm to anyone, so why wasnt the cop actually attacked if the dog was so aggresive Because he got shot. You don’t have to let the dog bite you before you shoot it. > [@](#): > > , and why werent any other officers attacked when the dog was outside the car for a long while. Wait, I’m confused. some of your fellow peta types seem to think that the cops “first reaction” was to shoot the dog. And here you tell us that the dog was out there for a long time. > [@](#): > > So sweetie, regardless what you say your opinon does not matter to me. You can blab all you want but you dont win my argument with yours because I am not a follower. What arguments do you have again? > [@Debaser](#): > > Dogs != People. > > Understand this, and you’ll understand why you’re wrong on this one. Some of them think dogs \> people > [@AnthonyElite](#): > > I would value the life of my dog over many people I’ve met. Is that selfish? Maybe. Does it say a lot about what I think of some people? Certainly. But for me, at the least, it is true. Yeah maybe MY dog and maybe if the human in question was an asshole like the dog owner in the video, but heck, I would value my sofa over many people I met too; but a human society cannot be cased on those sort of values. > [@](#): > > Yes, the owner was being stupid, but how on Earth does that justify a cop killing his beloved pet? Because the dog was attacking the police. > [@](#): > > I have to admit, if I were that guy, I’d be looking for some revenge on that officer. Assholes like that always try to blame others for their mistakes. It looks like you would too. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/177 "2013-07-03T17:44:24Z")
Cops shoot dogs way too fucking much and are way to casual about it. This time seemed perfectly reasonable and shitty at the same time - for the dog. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/178 "2013-07-03T17:45:15Z")
Well, while we’re here, why don’t we throw [this one into the fire.](http://www.naturalnews.com/041055_police_officers_family_dog_fatal_shooting.html) OK, this one kind of irritates me. Dog doesn’t die (thankfully), but is shot when the cops bust into the wrong house trying to serve a warrant on a guy with an expired vehicle registration. Yeah, shit happens, but come on. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/179 "2013-07-03T17:51:36Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Well, maybe not you. Step carefully, **Bob**. \*Most \*of the time, when someone says they can provide a “long list” of something, it’s just a figure of speech… ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419/180 "2013-07-03T18:12:34Z")
What the estimable **Vinyl Turnip** sayeth. A reeeeally long list, bolded and underlined in seventeen different colors. Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-asshole-motherfucking-murderous-criminal-hawthorne-cops-who-killed-the-rottweiler/662419.md?page=10)