# The Bachelor **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 31, 2012, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270 "2012-01-31T03:53:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2012, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/1 "2012-01-31T03:53:32Z")
Oh, shut up, I know. Okay – anyone else who’s willing to admit they’re watching – did Courtney and Ben actually have sex in tonight’s episode? ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2012, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/2 "2012-01-31T15:47:54Z")
If you don’t want to out yourself by posting in the thread, feel free to PM me. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Disheavel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@Disheavel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disheavel)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2012, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/3 "2012-01-31T19:40:32Z")
Nope. I think the editors wanted us to think that but they didn’t have any better footage to make it look like it happened. So I really don’t think so. Ben, to me, really seemed like he was continually “attempting” to stop things, and seemed to be looking to the camera and sound guys to stop it. So he had reservations about the fairness aspect already. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2012, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/4 "2012-01-31T20:30:15Z")
So, it was an intimate moment but not an “intimate” moment? That hussy. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/5 "2012-02-01T19:20:33Z")
**SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER DO NOT READ IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE SPOILED** I"M SERIOUS. THIS IS NOT AN ANSWER TO THE OP, THIS IS WAY BIGGER. DO NOT READ IT AND THEN BITCH AT ME THAT YOU DIDN"T WANT TO BE SPOILED. I am DEEPLY annoyed! Pissed, if I were silly enough to be pissed over a stupid reality show. HERE COMES THE SPOIL [spoiler] According to Reality Steve… Ben proposes to that ridiculous caricature of a conniving, manipulative female. WHAT??? Yeah, that’s the word. I’m stunned. Oh wait, no I’m not. Ben has a penis. Never mind. [/spoiler] I’m sure they didn’t have sex. The cameras didn’t leave them alone and I dont’ think they did a quickie in the ocean as their first. I cannot deny that she is a physically superior specimen. She has an exquisite face. I saw pictures of her all dressed up on the red carpet a couple of years ago and she was beautiful in a very boring way. Stripped down the way she is in this, her loveliness is undeniable. And is so often the case, she is as vile within as she is lovely without. That little smirk she does is driving me crazy, I want to smack her. Does anyone know if the actual rules and steps of how this thing works are broken down anywhere? Ben said she “broke the rules” - the producers obviously don’t enforce them as rules, or she couldn’t do that. What are the rules? How does it all work? If they are together in a new locale for a whole week, why only three dates? Why not many more, and many more individual? Now that I’m hooked on this crap I want to understand how it all works… ---
**Author:** ![Frosted\_Glass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frosted_glass/32/3926_2.png) [@Frosted\_Glass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frosted_Glass)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/6 "2012-02-01T22:44:46Z")
Ben seemed to feel pretty guilty about the whole skinny dipping thing, so I think it is safe to say they did not have sex. Thinking about it from his perspective, I can understand wanting to be fair to the other girls while also finding it very difficult to resist a nude night swim with a model. Man, talk about awesome problems to have. Honestly, I am still shocked that the last episode ended with: Him getting rid of Jennifer! She was a sweetheart damnit :mad: This show is absolutely my favorite trashy TV secret. There is no way I am going near that spoiler until the finale but I appreciate the warning **Stoid**. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2012, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/7 "2012-02-01T23:08:01Z")
> [@Frosted\_Glass](#): > > Him getting rid of Jennifer! She was a sweetheart damnit :mad: That was very left-field to me… she was the best kisser and he smooched her that very night. I fast forward through a lot of things, do you know of any explanation? ---
**Author:** ![Frosted\_Glass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frosted_glass/32/3926_2.png) [@Frosted\_Glass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frosted_Glass)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/8 "2012-02-02T15:38:49Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > That was very left-field to me… she was the best kisser and he smooched her that very night. I fast forward through a lot of things, do you know of any explanation? Nope, there was no explanation given at all. One of my roommates said that Blakeley’s speech must have swayed him to keep her around and get rid of Jennifer but that made no sense to me. They had an awesome date and she’s the best kisser. I thought Emily was gone for sure. She keeps shoving her foot in her mouth. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/9 "2012-02-02T23:19:12Z")
I’m secretly glad to see this thread. Don’t tell anyone I’m posting here. No, I think by “intimate moment” he just meant the skinny-dip. In addition to being a vile human being, and probably dumber than a bag of hammers, Courtney has a prehensile upper lip, like a rhinoceros. For a model, she’s not even the prettiest one in the house. Blakeley has a really ugly tattoo on a really prominent place (wrist), which is unfortunate. Emily keeps shooting herself in the foot, but missing (apparently). ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/10 "2012-02-03T00:14:59Z")
I clicked on **Stoid** ’s spoiler – I refuse to believe it. What I want to know is why Courtney is so intent on “winning.” (Love how she doesn’t seem to realize that the catchphrase is indicative of a huge public mental breakdown.) There is no cash or prizes – the winner gets to be engaged to a bad Josh Grogan knockoff for five minutes before the relationship crashes and burns. Does the woman get to keep the ring? ---
**Author:** ![Frosted\_Glass](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frosted_glass/32/3926_2.png) [@Frosted\_Glass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frosted_Glass)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/11 "2012-02-03T00:23:01Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I’m secretly glad to see this thread. Don’t tell anyone I’m posting here. Maybe we can make some sort of spoiler tag for our names. For a smart girl, Emily is pretty stupid. Courtney, on the other hand is playing Ben like a fiddle. The problem with that is she managed to piss off everyone in the house but Kacie(sp) S. Honestly though, I don’t know how she is still around since I cannot really remember her ever having a conversation with Ben. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/12 "2012-02-03T00:31:33Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > I clicked on **Stoid** ’s spoiler – I refuse to believe it. I didn’t want to either… (don’t click if you don’t wanna know about the BIG SPOIL) [spoiler] I wasn’t even trying to be spoiled… they made sucha point of making it appear that he does dump her manipulative ass I was looking for a little more information about that. I googled “Bachelor Ben and Courtney” and the FIRST headline was "**[_Bachelor Ben_ Flajnik Engaged To _Courtney_ Robertson Report](http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2011/12/16/bachelor-ben-flajnik-engaged-courtney-robertson-report/)** which annoyed the fuck out of me first of all, but fuck me for doing the google, and second, having seen it I had heart failure and had to follow up. I’m told that Reality Steve is never wrong about anything major, but I don’t know. Maybe this is the biggest misinformation campaign designed to mess with the spoily blogosphere… I sure hope so. Actually, that’s not true. I don’t honestly give a flying fuck at all, and in fact, if it IS true it is WAY more entertaining, because that means the after-the-final-rose shit will be GREAT. Hell, if it’s true Ellen Degeneres already stepped in it by trashing her to Ben directly when he was on the show, assuming, understandably, that Ben at some point figured her out and dumped her. [/spoiler] > [@](#): > > What I want to know is why Courtney is so intent on “winning.” (Love how she doesn’t seem to realize that the catchphrase is indicative of a huge public mental breakdown.) I’m pretty sure Ellen Degeneres brought that up, something about “Doesn’t she realize that that is associated with a giant meltdown??” > [@](#): > > There is no cash or prizes – the winner gets to be engaged to a bad Josh Grogan knockoff for five minutes before the relationship crashes and burns. Join me in the spoiler box… [spoiler]Once you follow the google, it all becomes very clear and it’s kind of obvious to begin with. She’s a model. Getting engaged to the Bachelor, particularly after being such a hideous witch, is getting and will get her mountains of press that is guaranteed to boost her career enormously. Hell, evidently Ben himself is or could be doing this from a pretty cynical place: he freely stated that his wine business tripled after he was on the Bachelorette. So maybe he knows exactly what he’s doing, and even exactly what Courtney is about, and he just sees clearly how much more interesting and press-worthy it is for him to go for the bitch, which will translate into wine sales. [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/13 "2012-02-03T00:36:19Z")
> [@Frosted\_Glass](#): > > The problem with that is she managed to piss off everyone in the house but Kacie(sp) S. Honestly though, I don’t know how she is still around since I cannot really remember her ever having a conversation with Ben. Kacie S. and Jamie have had zero screen time, so if Ben is forming some favorable impression of them he’s doing it off-camera. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/14 "2012-02-03T00:38:07Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > I’m pretty sure Ellen Degeneres brought that up, something about “Doesn’t she realize that that is associated with a giant meltdown??” Explain, please? I missed something about “winning”, catchphrase, meltdown. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/15 "2012-02-03T00:45:20Z")
Remember that whole Charley Sheen thing last year? His catchphrase was “winning!” ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/16 "2012-02-03T00:45:54Z")
> [@Frosted\_Glass](#): > > Maybe we can make some sort of spoiler tag for our names. If only. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/17 "2012-02-07T15:09:05Z")
Whoa. Decent ep – Blakely, the Courtney wannabe, goes home – Emily shows humor and class and stays – Courtney acts like a bitch. Sounds like several women band together to out her next week – hope it works. Jamie’s one-on-one at the party was embarrassing – glad he sent her home, we’ll never have to look at her and cringe again. (Until the Women Tell All ep, of course – when I’m sure they’ll rerun that whole … ouch. How sad.) And that other little blonde, who I’d kinda liked, turned out not to be there for the right reasons … like that ordinarily disqualifies anyone. (Chris [blogs](http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/02/07/chris-harrison-the-bachelor-episode-6-blog-2/)that he didn’t want a repeat of the Bentley situation.) Come out, come out, wherever you are, fellow _Bachelor_ junkies … ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/18 "2012-02-07T16:12:44Z")
I was just musing that Jamie and Casey S weren’t getting any screen time, and were complete non-entities. And now…we hardly knew ye. Seems like every season there’s somebody who goes on the show For Not The Right Reason. (And I’m firmly convinced that the producers plant at least one contestant just for the drama. Bentley in the last Bachelorette, and Courtney in this) Glad that Emily made the cut. She’s been my fave since she rapped on opening night. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/19 "2012-02-08T07:10:28Z")
“I feel like if we can do this, we can do anything!” Yes, of course: if a couple of young attractive people can manage be young and attractive on a beautiful beach in the Carribean and catch fish and eat coconuts and make out, why yes, Ben, they probably _can_ do anything. Probably even cure cancer with their powerful love. why do I do this to myself… ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2012, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270/20 "2012-02-08T08:54:31Z")
The rest of it was better. I’m starting to find myself gaining respect for Courtney. I never had any interest or patience in that girl thing that made it more about female standards, expectations and judgments than male approval. That’s really all that’s happening. Courtney is actually more needy of Ben’s attention than any of the weepy “I wanna get married” types, and she got kinda real about how it is with her. And it’s hilarious to me that these women are all filling the fainting Aunt PittyPat role when Scarlet comes in with flaming red velvet, and good on Courtney for getting real. Very interesting… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bachelor/611270.md?page=2)