# The Banning of Shodan **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [May 14, 2020, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763 "2020-05-14T02:33:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/383 "2020-05-16T14:42:43Z")
Let me see if I’ve understood the situation: 1. Calling the problem lodger a harpy is allowed, because she really did have atoxic personality. 2. Calling the professor a harpy is not allowed, because she does not have a toxic personality. 3. Jonathan Chance has the authority to decide, based upon his own personal opinion of the woman’s personal qualities. Is that about it, Chronos? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/384 "2020-05-16T14:46:52Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Let me see if I’ve understood the situation: > > 1. Calling the problem lodger a harpy is allowed, because she really did have atoxic personality. > > 2. Calling the professor a harpy is not allowed, because she does not have a toxic personality. > > 3. Jonathan Chance has the authority to decide, based upon his own personal opinion of the woman’s personal qualities. > > Is that about it, Chronos? Are you going to keep going at this until you get the only answer you want to hear? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/385 "2020-05-16T14:58:25Z")
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**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/386 "2020-05-16T14:58:50Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Let me see if I’ve understood the situation: > > 1. Calling the problem lodger a harpy is allowed, because she really did have atoxic personality. > > 2. Calling the professor a harpy is not allowed, because she does not have a toxic personality. > > 3. Jonathan Chance has the authority to decide, based upon his own personal opinion of the woman’s personal qualities. > > Is that about it, Chronos? Are you going to keep going at this until you get the only answer you want to hear? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/387 "2020-05-16T15:12:52Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Let me see if I’ve understood the situation: > > 1. Calling the problem lodger a harpy is allowed, because she really did have atoxic personality. > > 2. Calling the professor a harpy is not allowed, because she does not have a toxic personality. > > 3. Jonathan Chance has the authority to decide, based upon his own personal opinion of the woman’s personal qualities. > > Is that about it, Chronos? The actual toxicity of the person is irrelevant, as is the mod’s view of it. It’s whether the poster is speaking about someone they know (as opposed to just someone they’ve read an article about.) Chronos was quite clear on that being one difference (and not the only one), I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/388 "2020-05-16T17:42:52Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The actual toxicity of the person is irrelevant, as is the mod’s view of it. It’s whether the poster is speaking about someone they know (as opposed to just someone they’ve read an article about.) Chronos was quite clear on that being one difference (and not the only one), I thought. That’s a distinction without any meaningful difference. It’s ridiculous pretzel logic to retroactively justify a bad moderator decision. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/389 "2020-05-16T19:39:28Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > That’s a distinction without any meaningful difference. Meh. I can see the difference Chronos was conveying, and I find it meaningful in distinguishing angry person from troll. I’m not responsible for your lack of vision. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/390 "2020-05-16T19:41:51Z")
He’s still gone no matter how much lip-flapping goes on here, right? Regards to him and the horse he rode in on. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/391 "2020-05-16T19:46:54Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > “AcTuAllY I’m tHe REAL LIBERAL hErE”. This is the tiredest, rustiest saw in the shed, but thank you for letting me know what level of discourse to expect in the future. > > This isn’t the 1700’s. Context matters, all the water you carry for Thomas Hobbes ultimately serves the ends of conservatives, and you can’t hide that behind semantic labeling games. You are the one mystifyingly interpreting my post in the exact opposite way I very clearly laid it out. I am saying I am a liberal in the 2008 sense, before political correctness ran amok. Again: like Bill Maher, Jon Chait, Hugh Hefner, the Kennedy clan, etc. The American Pie movies liberalism. Straight white dudes who are for a libertine society including some of the stuff you guys would they cry as “hurrdurr” or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/392 "2020-05-16T19:57:31Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > stuff you guys would they cry as “hurrdurr” Missed edit window: that should read “decry”, not “they cry”, which is what Siri thought I said. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/393 "2020-05-16T19:57:56Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I am a liberal […] like Bill Maher So, not really a liberal, is what you’re saying? Since Maher is\*\*\* on record\*\*\* as being a libertarian. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/394 "2020-05-16T19:59:41Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > The American Pie movies liberalism. I’m sorry, _what_? ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/395 "2020-05-16T20:19:22Z")
You know, where women know they are sex objects and don’t mouth off too much. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/396 "2020-05-16T20:20:44Z")
Raunchy, immature, heteronormative, but also rejecting traditional morality and especially moralistic religious doctrine. It’s a real drag to see everyone get so uptight about this kind of cheeky attitude toward life. No one is saying you have to adopt it yourself, but allow the rest of us to let our freak flags fly, please. And no, Bill Maher said he has been _called_ a libertarian but he does not call _himself_ that. I know more than once he is gone on rants against conservatives who warn of “socialism“, pointing out all the good features of society (schools, fire departments, etc) that are socialistic. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/397 "2020-05-16T20:26:04Z")
Yeah, dang all those modern liberals trying to be polite! ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/398 "2020-05-16T20:29:46Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > You know, where women know they are sex objects and don’t mouth off too much. :rolleyes: You apparently don’t remember (NSFW) [that one time at band camp](https://youtu.be/ZifmiFkgZlc) ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/399 "2020-05-16T20:38:47Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m not responsible for your lack of vision. And I’m not bending over backwards trying to see a way to justify banning a guy over this. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/400 "2020-05-16T20:41:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Missed edit window: that should read “decry”, not “they cry”, which is what Siri thought I said. Siri didn’t understand “decry” but got “hurrdurr”? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/401 "2020-05-16T20:53:57Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > The American Pie movies liberalism. Straight white dudes who are for a libertine society including some of the stuff you guys would they cry as “hurrdurr” or whatever. That movie was a celebration of male teenage horniness. It’s also about as clichéd example as you could find of the objectification of women. If that’s the direction that you think liberalism needs to go, you should probably bow out. Liberalism is not the place for you. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763/402 "2020-05-16T21:18:07Z")
> [@Randolph](#): > > He’s still gone no matter how much lip-flapping goes on here, right? I doubt anybody will actually miss Shodan or wants him back. Its just that a horseshit banning is still horseshit even when its given to somebody who had it coming. I’d respect the mods more if they just came out and said that they were banning these people because they wanted to instead of hiding in the grass waiting for petty crap like this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-banning-of-shodan/853763.md?page=21)