# The Batman (some spoilers in the OP) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [March 5, 2022, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534 "2022-03-05T21:05:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/21 "2022-03-12T03:20:39Z")
What’s strange about the Batman movies to me is the almost total absence of BM getting from point A to point B by swinging on a rope. They have him using that rewinder thing a bunch, but swinging on a rope was all he ever did, at least in the older comics, and the stunt would cost almost nothing. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/22 "2022-03-12T17:07:02Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > The best compliment I can give the movie is this is the first Batman movie I’ve ever seen where I didn’t think Batman was a goofy weirdo. Every scene he was in, Batman looked _Intimidating_ , borderline frightening. I think Keaton’s Batman did the same in the first one. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/23 "2022-03-14T02:50:10Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > The casting/acting was great except for (IMHO) Pattinson himself, who really laid on the emo teenager vibe. I don’t know how old Bruce Wayne is supposed to be but Pattinson is 35. If we go by the comics canon that Bruce was 8 years old when his parents died, then Pattison’s Bruce is 28, which I think is close enough to his real age that it works. This is definitely the best Batman movie IMO and I wouldn’t mind a sequel. I liked that we were spared yet another reenactment of the Wayne murders and the detective story aspects. I’m not all that crazy about the Joker cameo at the end - the character’s been done to death and I’d like to see some other antagonist for Bruce in the future. I don’t think anyone ever actually called him “Batman” once during the movie, which was a nice touch - he’s always “the batman”, “the vigilante”, or “Vengeance”, and I liked his revelation at the end that Gotham doesn’t need vengeance, it needs hope. The flood and post-flood scenes had a strong 9/11 - Katrina vibe to them which worked well to elucidate that point. What was the deal with the vial Bruce injected himself with in the final fight? Was that supposed to be Bane venom? I’d be surprised if it doesn’t become a plot point in the next movie. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/24 "2022-03-14T13:50:02Z")
Saw it yesterday, and I really liked it. My only complaint is they could have tightened it up by 15-30 minutes. I laughed when they came out and embraced that Bruce has to apply mascara every night. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/25 "2022-03-14T14:34:05Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Re: The Batcave. Rather than having Wayne Manor be an estate outside the city they had his home and the Batcave be in the center of Gotham City. It was an interesting choice and I think I like it. Strange as it may seem, this is straight out of the comic books. For most of the 1970s, Bruce Wayne lived in a penthouse in the Wayne Foundation building in downtown Gotham City, with the Batcave in a sub-basement accessed by elevator. Wayne Manor was locked up and uninhabited during that period. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/26 "2022-03-18T08:28:41Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I will say it was a little long and final act seems to have one ending after the other. I also would have preferred Batman stop the disaster at the end because having it happen was a little much My friend pointed out it was a post COVID movie for that reason. In most movies, the protagonists may suffer some stinging losses, but they manage to stop or at least greatly mitigate the major disaster. And the few times it does happen, it gets reversed…see Avengers Endgame. Post pandemic this might become a recurring theme. Maybe Deep Impact was the last movie where the big disaster did happen? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/27 "2022-03-18T10:08:57Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I laughed when they came out and embraced that Bruce has to apply mascara every night. I liked it. It gets rid of the white circles around the eyes and makes live action Batman look more like comics Batman. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/28 "2022-03-18T10:25:25Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > My friend pointed out it was a post COVID movie for that reason. [![](https://i.postimg.cc/FRrhwgjV/image.png) ](https://i.postimg.cc/FRrhwgjV/image.png) (From Private Eye) ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/29 "2022-03-18T13:11:12Z")
[![](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/masks.png) ](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/masks.png) ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/30 "2022-03-18T13:40:46Z")
I can’t find any examples, but when the Nolan movies came out there were plenty of memes of Michael Caine carefully applying black makeup to Christian Bale. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/31 "2022-03-18T14:35:43Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > My friend pointed out it was a post COVID movie for that reason. In most movies, the protagonists may suffer some stinging losses, but they manage to stop or at least greatly mitigate the major disaster. “Post COVID movie”? Has your friend not seen **Watchmen**? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/32 "2022-03-18T16:01:15Z")
No and neither have I. ---
**Author:** ![caligulathegod](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/caligulathegod/32/9685_2.png) [@caligulathegod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caligulathegod)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/33 "2022-03-18T16:26:00Z")
In all fairness, Watchmen was meant to be subversive. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/34 "2022-03-18T19:57:50Z")
I wasn’t expecting anything from this movie. Speaking as a comic book fan myself, I think that we are in the realm of oversaturation of superhero movies and shows. I’m especially bored of the Marvel format. While D.C.'s first few efforts were dismal, I have liked the last few outings and I quite enjoyed _The Suicide Squad_, _Birds of Prey_, _Shazam!_, _Aquaman_, and _Wonder Woman_. I like that each of them has its own mood, style, and setting. I also have seen every Batman movie going back to 1966. And I’ve never really seen a _good_ Batman movie. The Adam West one was hilarious. The Michael Keaton ones were … okay. The Val Kilmer and George Clooney ones were dumb. The Christian Bale ones were … booooooorrrrrrring. I liked Ben Affleck’s portrayals of Batman and Bruce Wayne, but the movies he appeared in were … not great. So I wasn’t expecting much. Mostly I went in thinking … “Hmm … three hours. When will I take a restroom break? … When we go into one of those endless, dull fight sequences.” That has been an effective strategy for me with most superhero movies, especially Marvel ones, whose endless, dull fight sequences come up like clockwork. So, surprise No. 1: There were no endless, dull fight sequences. In fact, most of the fight sequences were quite short. Surprise No. 2: No boring stretches in this movie _at all_. I was engaged the whole way through. Surprise No. 3: No re-hashing of Batman’s origin. Surprise No. 4: A take on Bruce Wayne that I can’t remember ever seeing before. This really seemed like something new. Surprise No. 5: I didn’t really have a lot of preconceptions about Pattinson. I just looked at his IMDB credits and as it turns out, the only movie appearance of his that I have actually watched was Harry Potter, and I had forgotten that he had portrayed Cedric Diggory. I, of course, am very aware of _Twilight_, but I never watched any of it, because it just didn’t seem like something I would like. I have seen clips from those movies here and there, but they never really left a strong impression of me regarding Robert Pattinson. Whatever about his past; in this movie, he was _good_. Conclusion: This was a _good_ movie, the best Batman movie I have ever seen, and not even a close call. Takes on the characters–Bruce/Batman, Alfred, Selina, Penguin, Commissioner Gordon, Riddler–all fresh and unexpected, very engaging … and all the actors did fantastic jobs. I won’t say that these are my _favorite_ portrayals of these characters. But they were well-written, and well-executed. Comments like the following are … not worth reacting to … > [@Uniqueorn](#): > > I rarely miss superhero movies, but the thought of having to watch Robert Pattinson for 3 hours is just too much. > [@eschereal](#): > > Hey, he is the _vampire_ batman, right? > [@Uniqueorn](#): > > I don’t really care if he is a good actor. In my eyes he is unlikeable and ugly. That’s enough reason not to spend money on movies he’s part of. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/35 "2022-03-18T20:02:36Z")
While I disagree with most of your post (especially Marvel having boring fight scenes), I have to concur on Pattinson. If you want to see a fantastic Pattinson movie, watch [The Lighthouse](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7984734/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0). It’s streaming on Amazon Prime. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/36 "2022-03-18T20:03:04Z")
> [@SwissMan](#): > > Zoe Kravitz was outstanding; I hope DC / Warner Bros. are considering making a standalone Catwoman project with her, because I would definitely watch. This was the first superhero movie in a long time in which there was actual _sexual chemistry_ between two characters. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/37 "2022-03-18T20:06:50Z")
I also like that, for the most part, the Riddler was always a step ahead of Batman, even though he was caught at the end. > [@muldoonthief](#): > > (especially Marvel having boring fight scenes) I have seen so many Marvel movies, and collectively, the biggest thing they have in common for me is that I was bored during the fight scenes. ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/38 "2022-03-19T11:00:13Z")
I reserve the right not to spend money on movies starring actors/actresses I don’t like. > [@Acsenray](#): > > Comments like the following are … not worth reacting to … > > > [@Uniqueorn](#): > > > > I rarely miss superhero movies, but the thought of having to watch Robert Pattinson for 3 hours is just too much. > > > [@eschereal](#): > > > > Hey, he is the _vampire_ batman, right? > > I reserve the right not to spend money on movies starring actors/actresses I don’t like. > > > [@Uniqueorn](#): > > > > I don’t really care if he is a good actor. In my eyes he is unlikeable and ugly. That’s enough reason not to spend money on movies he’s part of. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/39 "2022-03-19T16:27:09Z")
You know what my problem was with the movie? Too many shots of Batman coming into rooms through doors. Batman doesn’t walk through doors - he either comes down from the ceiling, or he just appears in the room when people are looking in the other direction. That’s the whole point of Batman: the stealth, the gadgets, the _cool_. Pattinson’s Batman simply had no chill. He was just a guy in a suit who solved crimes. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534/40 "2022-03-19T16:30:21Z")
It was a little off putting for me too at first that he was just kind of walking around but I think their entire take on the character was intended to be that he was just a messed up guy in a costume who solves crimes and they wanted to make that be his reality. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-batman-some-spoilers-in-the-op/960534.md?page=3)