# The Beheading of Samuel Paty in France by Islamic Terrorist: All Because a 13 yo Teenage Truant Lied **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 12, 2021, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-beheading-of-samuel-paty-in-france-by-islamic-terrorist-all-because-a-13-yo-teenage-truant-lied/937747 "2021-03-12T01:33:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-beheading-of-samuel-paty-in-france-by-islamic-terrorist-all-because-a-13-yo-teenage-truant-lied/937747/21 "2021-03-12T23:21:47Z")
That girl will be mentally guilt-traumatized for a long time now. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-beheading-of-samuel-paty-in-france-by-islamic-terrorist-all-because-a-13-yo-teenage-truant-lied/937747/22 "2021-03-12T23:30:45Z")
Oh! This was a dance like a monkey request. My bad, I didn’t understand what you were asking for. No thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-beheading-of-samuel-paty-in-france-by-islamic-terrorist-all-because-a-13-yo-teenage-truant-lied/937747/23 "2021-03-12T23:37:43Z")
> [@jnglmassiv](#): > > > [@Kimstu](#): > > > > Presumably the father was officially notified by the school of the suspension itself, but not of the specific cause of it. > > That seems strange. It does, but AFAICT that’s what [franceinfo is reporting:](https://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/terrorisme/enseignant-decapite-dans-les-yvelines/assassinat-de-samuel-paty-une-collegienne-avoue-avoir-menti-et-regrette_4324723.html) > [@](#): > > Absente du collège le jour du cours, l’adolescente aurait voulu cacher à son père le motif réel de son expulsion pour absentéisme chronique. I.e., “Absent from school on the day of the class, the adolescent had wanted to hide from her father the real reason for her removal for chronic absenteeism”. So as best as I can make out, her father was independently informed of the fact of her suspension (the French word is “expulsion”, but IIRC that doesn’t necessarily mean permanent separation as it does in English), but she was able to deceive him about the reason for it. > [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](#): > > I have no problem believing that the father was incredibly stupid and gullible for buying such a ridiculous lie. I dunno, it’s not like there’s no Islamophobia in French culture, and it’s not like there aren’t also a subset of French Muslims who have exaggerated and paranoid views about French Islamophobia. I can imagine a climate of mistrust in which it would be possible for a non-stupid parent to believe that such a story might be true. However, if there’s one basic lesson for the non-murderous non-terrorist to take away from this horrific crime, I’d say it would be this: don’t just take your 13-year-old kid’s word for it when they explain why they’ve been having problems at school. Get the other side of the story before you rush onto social media denouncing the school for having treated your poor child so disgracefully. Sometimes kids lie. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-beheading-of-samuel-paty-in-france-by-islamic-terrorist-all-because-a-13-yo-teenage-truant-lied/937747/24 "2021-03-13T01:47:11Z")
Um, no. You were politely requested to provide a citation for your assertion. You’re either unwilling or unable to do so. That’s on you. No monkey dance involved. ---
**Author:** ![jnglmassiv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f07891/32.png) [@jnglmassiv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jnglmassiv)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-beheading-of-samuel-paty-in-france-by-islamic-terrorist-all-because-a-13-yo-teenage-truant-lied/937747/25 "2021-03-13T02:01:52Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > So as best as I can make out, her father was independently informed of the fact of her suspension (the French word is “expulsion”, but IIRC that doesn’t necessarily mean permanent separation as it does in English), but she was able to deceive him about the reason for it. Yea, strange. I could perhaps see someone as young as 16 years old being granted some privacy protections but at 13 year old’s father should have been informed of the reason immediately. I can’t understand how he could have know of the suspension but not the reason for it. “Oh, ya, ha, your kid, normally at school in seventh grade, is going to be at home for the next week for some reason. See ya.” ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-beheading-of-samuel-paty-in-france-by-islamic-terrorist-all-because-a-13-yo-teenage-truant-lied/937747/26 "2021-03-13T02:32:32Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > When a police officer shoots someone who with their speech plausibly threatens to commit incipient violence, they are found not to have violated the first amendment rights of the shot victim. Not seeing it. Speech alone is not enough. There has to be a realistic possibility that the speaker will commit violent acts, and that those violent acts will put someone else’s life or safety at risk. Can you clarify what you mean? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-beheading-of-samuel-paty-in-france-by-islamic-terrorist-all-because-a-13-yo-teenage-truant-lied/937747/27 "2021-03-13T03:39:30Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Speech alone is not enough. There has to be a realistic possibility that the speaker will commit violent acts, and that those violent acts will put someone else’s life or safety at risk. Can you clarify what you mean? The speech can be the sole reason for believing the speaker can/will commit said violent acts. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-beheading-of-samuel-paty-in-france-by-islamic-terrorist-all-because-a-13-yo-teenage-truant-lied/937747/28 "2021-03-13T03:44:39Z")
Yes, but that by itself does not justify lethal force. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-beheading-of-samuel-paty-in-france-by-islamic-terrorist-all-because-a-13-yo-teenage-truant-lied/937747/29 "2024-11-04T06:52:36Z")
> **[French pupil’s father on trial for spreading lies that led to teacher’s...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/03/french-pupil-father-samuel-paty-teacher-islamist-beheading-murder-paris)** > > Eight charged in connection with murder of Samuel Paty in Paris suburbs in 2020 Hopefully he is convicted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-beheading-of-samuel-paty-in-france-by-islamic-terrorist-all-because-a-13-yo-teenage-truant-lied/937747.md?page=1)