# The best candidate to challenge Barack Obama in 2012 is Ron Paul **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 3, 2010, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114 "2010-05-03T03:50:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/681 "2010-05-08T21:04:25Z")
Hey, **Finn**. It’s immortality. Immorality is a bit different, although probably a necessary component if you’re dealing with Illuminated Lizard People. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/682 "2010-05-08T21:35:23Z")
Fuck. I’d blame it on posting while watching old X-files and using the right click function to correct redlined text and then cutting and pasting due to laziness… but really, the spirit of Ron Paul made me do it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/683 "2010-05-08T21:35:31Z")
> [@Galileo\_Galilei](#): > > _Advocates for the War of 1812_ now formally endorses Ron Paul for president of the United States of America. Previously, we successfully lobbied to make the _Star Spangled Banner_ our national anthem, and to get Andrew Jackson on the $20 dollar bill. We also support H.R. 992 and hope we can count on your support. Are you perchance part of a Cacophony Society campaign targeting Ron Paul? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/684 "2010-05-08T21:36:16Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Hey, **Finn**. It’s immortality. Immorality is a bit different, although probably a necessary component if you’re dealing with Illuminated Lizard People. They glow in the dark now? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/685 "2010-05-08T21:44:10Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > No, seriously, I think we’re all waiting to hear the reason why you’ve allegedly both been paid and not-paid to talk up Madison and the war of 1812 on the internet in the hopes that it will benefit Paul. He’s working for Quantum Cats? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/686 "2010-05-08T21:45:35Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > And squirrels like running up trees, give me something that’s _not_ a total non sequitor… Squirrels also like nuts. The State Nut of Texas is–the Pecan. (And the State Tree is the Pecan Tree.) But our State Bird is the Mockingbird–not the Loon. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/687 "2010-05-08T21:51:20Z")
Man, those quantum cats are outa sight! But no, I think that Ron Paul and his fans are all in an indeterminate eigenstate and their waveform will only collapse once we determine the proper (head of) state vector. Ron Paul did and did not endorse his newsletter’s racist ramblings. Ron Paul does and does not pay for people to post on the internet to support strange concepts. Ron Paul does and does not hold the key to America’s salvation. The only safe thing to do is to vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/688 "2010-05-08T22:05:03Z")
> [@Oldeb](#): > > Your only 2 success were in 1928 and 1931? Don’t forget 1812! ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/689 "2010-05-08T22:10:36Z")
Some fun facts about James Madison: He was Zachary Taylor’s second cousin. He was the first president to wear pants. He was small…he was about 5’4" and weighed 100 pounds. When he was President, he took a four month vacation. Even though he’s called “The Father of the Constitution”, he didn’t have any kids. Some fun facts about Ron Paul: His middle name is Ernest. He’s a obstetrician, graduated from the Duke School of Medicine. He’s a third generation American, his grandfather coming to Pennsylvania from Prussia. He ran as the Libertarian Candidate for President in 1988 and got about 400,000 votes. And now you know. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/690 "2010-05-08T22:29:29Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Man, those quantum cats are outa sight! > But no, I think that Ron Paul and his fans are all in an indeterminate eigenstate and their waveform will only collapse once we determine the proper (head of) state vector. > > Ron Paul did and did not endorse his newsletter’s racist ramblings. > Ron Paul does and does not pay for people to post on the internet to support strange concepts. > Ron Paul does and does not hold the key to America’s salvation. So, Ron Paul is actually someone Schroedinger would vote for, or maybe against? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/691 "2010-05-08T22:31:57Z")
Possibly. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/692 "2010-05-08T22:47:44Z")
> [@samclem](#): > > So, Ron Paul is actually someone Schroedinger would vote for, or maybe against? We should put him in a box and find out. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/693 "2010-05-08T23:10:59Z")
> [@Galileo\_Galilei](#): > > You are just engaging in word nit-picking. I’m pointing out that you misrepresented your source, which is a pretty good indication that what you said isn’t true. Does Advocates for the War of 1812 exist as a group? Despite your enormous influence in establishing the national anthem, you seem to have no presence on the internet except for the mention in this thread. In any case, how do you advocate for something that happened 200 years ago? It seems completely redundant, not to say, you know, “fantastically pointless.” ---
**Author:** ![Galileo\_Galilei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9d8465/32.png) [@Galileo\_Galilei](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galileo_Galilei)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/694 "2010-05-08T23:57:38Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I’m pointing out that you misrepresented your source, which is a pretty good indication that what you said isn’t true. > > Does Advocates for the War of 1812 exist as a group? Despite your enormous influence in establishing the national anthem, you seem to have no presence on the internet except for the mention in this thread. In any case, how do you advocate for something that happened 200 years ago? It seems completely redundant, not to say, you know, “fantastically pointless.” I haven’t misrepresented any source. The sources I have revealed to you are just the tip of the iceberg. Face it. You have a bias against James Madison. The facts are disturbing to you. ---
**Author:** ![Galileo\_Galilei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9d8465/32.png) [@Galileo\_Galilei](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galileo_Galilei)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/695 "2010-05-08T23:58:56Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Some fun facts about James Madison: > > He was Zachary Taylor’s second cousin. > He was the first president to wear pants. > He was small…he was about 5’4" and weighed 100 pounds. > When he was President, he took a four month vacation. > Even though he’s called “The Father of the Constitution”, he didn’t have any kids. > > Some fun facts about Ron Paul: > > His middle name is Ernest. > He’s a obstetrician, graduated from the Duke School of Medicine. > He’s a third generation American, his grandfather coming to Pennsylvania from Prussia. > He ran as the Libertarian Candidate for President in 1988 and got about 400,000 votes. > > And now you know. Here is a little known fact; James Madison’s nephew died at the Alamo. ---
**Author:** ![Galileo\_Galilei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9d8465/32.png) [@Galileo\_Galilei](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galileo_Galilei)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2010, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/696 "2010-05-09T00:02:33Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Man, those quantum cats are outa sight! > But no, I think that Ron Paul and his fans are all in an indeterminate eigenstate and their waveform will only collapse once we determine the proper (head of) state vector. > > Ron Paul did and did not endorse his newsletter’s racist ramblings. > Ron Paul does and does not pay for people to post on the internet to support strange concepts. > Ron Paul does and does not hold the key to America’s salvation. > > The only safe thing to do is to vote for him. You have an obsession with off color jokes. Do you know that Paul’s newsletters contained lots of great material that opposed the racist war on drugs? I find it a little twisted that people get all bent out of shape over an obscure newsletter, but then support locking up millions of black and Mexicans. The people who complain are racists who want to perpetuate the racist war on drugs. They are afraid Paul’s newsletters will expose their racist intentions. ---
**Author:** ![Galileo\_Galilei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9d8465/32.png) [@Galileo\_Galilei](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galileo_Galilei)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2010, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/697 "2010-05-09T00:03:42Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Any reasonable man should be scared to death of what a Ron Paul administration would do to this country. That’s scary, a president who follows the US Constitution. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/698 "2010-05-09T00:16:29Z")
> [@Galileo\_Galilei](#): > > Previously, we successfully lobbied to make the _Star Spangled Banner_ our national anthem, . . . Anyone who thinks that it was a good idea to use the retreaded bar song of a bunch of British fops as the U.S. national anthem is clearly misguided. Thank you for pointing out that you generally use your immense powers for evil. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2010, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/699 "2010-05-09T01:10:47Z")
> [@Galileo\_Galilei](#): > > I haven’t misrepresented any source. I don’t expect you to admit it, but you did, yes. > [@](#): > > Face it. You have a bias against James Madison. I hadn’t realized it until you started posting about it, but yes, I hate that shrimpy fuck. Up until now I thought I admired his authorship of the Constitution and enjoyed the fact that he was the only president who was significantly shorter than I am. But now that you bring is up, fuck James Madison. Fuck his knee breeches, too. ---
**Author:** ![Galileo\_Galilei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9d8465/32.png) [@Galileo\_Galilei](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galileo_Galilei)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2010, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114/700 "2010-05-09T01:35:54Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I don’t expect you to admit it, but you did, yes. > I hadn’t realized it until you started posting about it, but yes, I hate that shrimpy fuck. Up until now I thought I admired his authorship of the Constitution and enjoyed the fact that he was the only president who was significantly shorter than I am. But now that you bring is up, fuck James Madison. Fuck his knee breeches, too. James Madison used to fuck Dolley Madison. She was tall, young, hot-looking with big tits. I think you are just jealous. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-candidate-to-challenge-barack-obama-in-2012-is-ron-paul/538114.md?page=36)