# The best Trek series **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 18, 2009, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359 "2009-02-18T03:31:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2009, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/101 "2009-12-27T14:36:05Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > p > šŸ˜• First time I heard that. The Doctorā€™s character was a major part of Voyager. He often got more screen time than the other characters. But, maybe Picardo wasnā€™t happy. \ > > Voyager was supposed to be more like DS9. The stranded ship should have been beat up and full of non-star fleet parts. They had rebels included in the crew. Everything was in place for a edgy star trek. Then, somebody in production lost their nerve. The rebels put on uniforms and became model officers. :rolleyes: The ship always got repaired after battles and looked like it just came out of a star fleet space dock. :dubious: Itā€™s a shame they didnā€™t stick with the original vision. > > My favorite is TNG. They did some outstanding episodes. Like the one where Data (an Android) rights are put on trial. Is he a machine or a sentient being? They did have some bad episodes too. But, overall I loved the series. You mean the one where suddenly the Star Fleetā€™s premier space ship doesnā€™t have a single JAG attached, nor is there a single JAG in residence on the starbase they are visiting, so the only JAG around (visiting, as I recall) ends up being a judge, and so Data has to be defended by Picard and prosecuted by Riker? THAT episode??:dubious: :smack: (Not to mention the simple fact that the BoP is on Picard to show Data HAS consciousness, not on Riker to show he doesnā€™t, and Picard utterly fails that burden). :rolleyes: Yes, the underlying theme was good, and the examination of whether or not we want to create robotic slaves is something worth exploring. But doing so in a dipshit way is disappointing; I was disappointed at the time, and still am. The fact that the director considers it a minor masterpiece says more about the troubles I have with the Next Generation (and shows like it) than anything I could ever say. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/102 "2009-12-28T17:52:11Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Voyager was supposed to be more like DS9. The stranded ship should have been beat up and full of non-star fleet parts. They had rebels included in the crew. Everything was in place for a edgy star trek. Then, somebody in production lost their nerve. The rebels put on uniforms and became model officers. :rolleyes: The ship always got repaired after battles and looked like it just came out of a star fleet space dock. :dubious: Itā€™s a shame they didnā€™t stick with the original vision. The frustrating thing about Voyager is that the writers clearly _knew_ how to do that darker, more realistic show - and they could do it very well. ā€œYear of Hellā€ was everything Voyager should have been - the ship was damaged and _stayed_ damaged barely limping along, morale was shot, and so on. Compelling stuff. And at the end of the episode - hurray! Reset button. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/103 "2009-12-28T18:01:05Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > No, but I can only really think of one ST character/actor that I really thought was hot. I hate Voyager with a passion, but my inner rice queen absolutely wanted Harry Kim/Garrett Wang SO FREAKINā€™ BAD! You might be the only person in the alpha or delta quadrants who felt that way. Iā€™ll stick with Bashir . . . or Spock. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/104 "2009-12-29T19:58:28Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > You mean the one where suddenly the Star Fleetā€™s premier space ship doesnā€™t have a single JAG attached, nor is there a single JAG in residence on the starbase they are visiting, so the only JAG around (visiting, as I recall) ends up being a judge, and so Data has to be defended by Picard and prosecuted by Riker? THAT episode??:dubious: :smack: > > (Not to mention the simple fact that the BoP is on Picard to show Data HAS consciousness, not on Riker to show he doesnā€™t, and Picard utterly fails that burden). :rolleyes: > > Yes, the underlying theme was good, and the examination of whether or not we want to create robotic slaves is something worth exploring. But doing so in a dipshit way is disappointing; I was disappointed at the time, and still am. The fact that the director considers it a minor masterpiece says more about the troubles I have with the Next Generation (and shows like it) than anything I could ever say. šŸ˜› But it had such a funny line: "Captain Phillipa Louvois: [in response to Commander Rikerā€™s refusal to prosecute Dataā€™s case] Then I will rule summarily based on my findings. Data is a toaster. Have him report immediately to Commander Maddox for experimental refit. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/105 "2009-12-29T20:52:52Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Iā€™d have to agree. Itā€™s just sad how much better BsG is than Ds9 - not even a fair comparison, really ;). > > Tongue in cheek obviously, but I really do believe BsG is better than any of the Star Trek series, despite its numerous flaws. To me its a bit like the average difference between good cable series and good network series. I really like both Lost and The Wire, but fun as the former is, in the end the latter is just far deeper and more resonant. > > ETA: **Olive** I hope you started BsG with the miniseries. That seems to be a common mistake people make, which can cause some confusion. Well, as I said, weā€™re just getting warmed up. Parts of it are fantastic (and yeah, we started with the mini-series), I just find the whole storyline with the brilliant scientist (who reminds me way too much of Bashir) and the stupid femme-fatale Cylon makes me want to punch the writers. Itā€™s way too gimmicky for a show that otherwise is very mature.) The whiny Asian girl.. Boomer? She gets on my nerves a little too. Starbuck is totally bad-ass though. I notice that a lot of people hate Neelix from Voyager, and I donā€™t get it. Heā€™s funny looking and at times mildly annoying, but heā€™s no coward. He strong-armed the Kazon in the very first episode to rescue Kes for Chrissake. Despite the fact that the crew pretty much shit on him 24/7, he made a lot of valuable contributions and was pretty damn smart and resourceful. I think he was one of the best characters. One of my favorite Voyager eps is when Neelix has an NDE and becomes suicidal because he no longer believes in God. He also dealt with the genocide of his people. He carried a lot of heavy shit in that series and I think he did it well. (I also loved 7 of 9, my favorite Star Trek character ever second only to Jadzia Dax. Voyager as a whole was weak-sauce compared to the other Treks, but it was still Star Trek and did interesting, worthwhile things with its storylines.) DS9 is still tops for me, and one of those reasons is because of Dax. Iā€™m a very character-driven person, I guess. I loved the whole concept of Trills and Jadzia was so badass and full of generations of wisdom and yet totally flawed. Fucking loved her. I think I had a brain aneurysm when they killed her (I watched the series years after it was popular, so I didnā€™t catch any media buzz or have any warning at all.) I think I went into shock when the episode ended. I kept waiting for the inevitable, ā€˜ā€˜Haha, just kidding, sheā€™s not deadā€™ā€™ and it never happened. Poor Worf. ā˜¹ She didnā€™t even die an honorable death. Fuck! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/106 "2009-12-29T21:11:54Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > I think I had a brain aneurysm when they killed her (I watched the series years after it was popular, so I didnā€™t catch any media buzz or have any warning at all.) As I recall, the actress wanted to leave the series. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/107 "2009-12-30T14:25:48Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > You might be the only person in the alpha or delta quadrants who felt that way. Iā€™ll stick with Bashir . . . or Spock. Um, nope. He was [PEOPLE Magazineā€™s](http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Jennifer_Lien) #18 most sexy person in 1997. In fact, thatā€™s the reason his character didnā€™t get written out when Jeri Ryan (Seven of Nine) was, and [Jenifer Lien (Kes) did](http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Jennifer_Lien). ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/108 "2009-12-30T16:59:32Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Um, nope. He was [PEOPLE Magazineā€™s](http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Jennifer_Lien) #18 most sexy person in 1997. In fact, thatā€™s the reason his character didnā€™t get written out when Jeri Ryan (Seven of Nine) was, and [Jenifer Lien (Kes) did](http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Jennifer_Lien). When 7-of-9 wasā€¦ what? Written out? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/109 "2009-12-30T17:02:48Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > When 7-of-9 wasā€¦ what? Written out? I assumed he meant ā€œintroducedā€ or ā€œjoined the permanent castā€, since thatā€™s when Lien left. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/110 "2009-12-30T17:23:33Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I assumed he meant ā€œintroducedā€ or ā€œjoined the permanent castā€, since thatā€™s when Lien left. That would fit. This alternate missing word didnā€™t occur to me until after I posted my question. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/111 "2009-12-30T20:32:42Z")
Alternate words!?!? Time to hit the Big Giant Trekking Reset Button! And I thought Bergama had been vanquished ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/112 "2009-12-31T00:36:32Z")
Anyone think there is a chance of another Star Trek series that will pick up where TNG, DS9, and Voyager have left off? The last series and movie have been in the past. I prefer my Star Trek to advance beyond what has already happened. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/113 "2009-12-31T00:42:30Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > Anyone think there is a chance of another Star Trek series that will pick up where TNG, DS9, and Voyager have left off? The last series and movie have been in the past. I prefer my Star Trek to advance beyond what has already happened. I think they will play out the movie series now. This Star Trek movie was a big hit and will generate probably several more movies. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/114 "2009-12-31T01:11:27Z")
> [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > Anyone think there is a chance of another Star Trek series that will pick up where TNG, DS9, and Voyager have left off? The last series and movie have been in the past. I prefer my Star Trek to advance beyond what has already happened. I doubt it. I think they really went about as far as they could with the old franchise which is probably why they had the motion picture reboot. Odesio ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/115 "2009-12-31T01:16:22Z")
Sure! We could totally have cross-over movies where the crew from DS9 gets sucked through a timeholerift and has to team up with the new Kirk and Spock! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/116 "2009-12-31T02:12:11Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I doubt it. I think they really went about as far as they could with the old franchise which is probably why they had the motion picture reboot. I would love to see Star Trek: Maquis, a kinda sorta _Firefly_ ripoff. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/117 "2009-12-31T02:42:24Z")
It could be done if the series had a definitive arc. Not the episodic way Trek used in the past, and not an arc that lasts only a season. Something like B5, Iā€™d think, where theres a story to be told that spans the episodes. I said that badly. If they were to make another series based off of the reboot from the movies, Iā€™d prefer to have a ship that isnā€™t the Enterprise. I know Iā€™m only that probably feels that way, but Iā€™d like to see another crew and ship and leave newKirk and crew to the movies. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/118 "2009-12-31T03:07:38Z")
> [@Jolly\_Roger](#): > > It could be done if the series had a definitive arcā€¦ Iā€™d prefer to have a ship that isnā€™t the Enterprise. I know Iā€™m only that probably feels that way, but Iā€™d like to see another crew and ship and leave newKirk and crew to the movies. Yeah, some Maquis guys, semi legitimate freight haulers, thieves and con men, with run ins with Federation ships, avoiding the Cardassians. And oh yes, an arc. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359/119 "2009-12-31T15:11:47Z")
And a young girl trained by the Fed as an ultimate weapon but whose brother and Mal (new Kirk) rescue and have a cute girly engineer and a Spock/Data/Book type character ā€¦ Shiny [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-best-trek-series/486359.md?page=5)