# The Biden Administration - the first 1,500 days \[NOT an Afghanistan discussion\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 8, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057 "2020-11-08T15:09:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1104 "2021-08-22T05:28:49Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > MODNOTE: Let’s make it official. > > Time for the Afghanistan debate to either have its own thread or be dropped. > > No more in this thread. It seems some posters missed this Modnote. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1105 "2021-08-22T12:04:59Z")
Closed on August 22, 2021, 12:04pm UTC ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1106 "2021-08-22T12:07:08Z")
## MODNOTE: No more on Afghanistan, this is official. Start a new thread if you like. See Modnote above. **Two current Afghanistan Threads:** > [@To honor and respect 20 yrs of sacrifice by our troops, we must stay in Afghanistan forever!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-honor-and-respect-20-yrs-of-sacrifice-by-our-troops-we-must-stay-in-afghanistan-forever/949308): > > With the withdrawal from Afghanistan, I see a lot of statements by conservatives, military veterans, armchair generals, etc., basically stating that the withdrawal dishonors the servicepeople who fought there for the past 20 years, Yeah, I get it that they would want to chalk this up in the “win” column, but “dishonor”? It’s not like the ref called the game at the last minute just before we were going to score the winning run. Is the intent that we should fight in Afghanistan forever until we… > [@Have we morally failed Afghanistan?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-we-morally-failed-afghanistan/948636): > > Geopolitics and 9/11 vengeance aside, have we failed our own sense of freedom and democracy? We are walking away from a 20 year war, leaving the Afghani’s to the Taliban. The Taliban that stands against everything we as Americans, left or right, hold dear. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1107 "2021-08-22T12:10:38Z")
Opened on August 22, 2021, 12:10pm UTC ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1108 "2021-08-22T15:14:43Z")
Sorry. I forgot where I was. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1109 "2021-08-24T13:13:46Z")
Ugh ugh ugh. > **[Fauci's new 2022 timeline for Covid fight could be a political disaster for...](https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/24/politics/anthony-fauci-timeline-covid-joe-biden/index.html)** > > President Joe Biden just got some deeply unwelcome news: The pandemic that he was elected to end could drag on deep into a midterm election year, with all the political and economic destruction that could bring. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1110 "2021-08-24T13:35:28Z")
It’s odd how that plays out. Republican obstructionism always gets blamed on Democrats. This is the same thing, we’d be in the mopping up phase of COVID were it not for the Republicans who are siding with the virus. In a rational world, you would think that this news would be bad for the politicians who refuse mask and vaccine mandates, who encourage the spread and mutation of the virus. But somehow, this gets blamed on those who are actually addressing the problem, and working to resolve it. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1111 "2021-08-25T01:10:43Z")
That’s why the red state governors want dead bodies. They think it’ll blow up on Biden. Maybe they’re right. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1112 "2021-08-25T01:13:10Z")
Only if the COVID dead can vote. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1113 "2021-08-25T06:26:30Z")
The beyond-all-superlatives Lisa Desjardins of PBS gives an [excellent breakdown](https://youtu.be/FbXxsHGFOfM?t=1529) of the latest with the infrastructure bill(s), where Pelosi heeded a group of ten moderates today who stalled the $3.5 trillion bill in order to-de-couple it from the other infrastructure bill. LD also runs through Congress’s very busy Sept. calendar, and has a good talk with Kurt Shrader (D. Or.), one of those ten moderates. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1114 "2021-08-25T16:44:59Z")
I don’t think the $3.5 trillion deal has a snowball’s chance in hell of passing in the Senate, but I think it’s important to put it out there nevertheless. It puts Republicans in the position of actually voting down economic stimulus at a time when the economic outlook is still very uncertain. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1115 "2021-08-27T10:57:15Z")
> **Summary** > > > [@What\_Exit](#): > > > > MODNOTE: Let’s make it official. > > > > Time for the Afghanistan debate to either have its own thread or be dropped. > > > > No more in this thread. > > Why? Please explain. How can there be a discussion of the Biden administration without talking about this week’s tragic events of Afghanistan??? AFG has worldwide implications and we (the US) are a world leader. I came here to see how this discussion is going about it and what Dopers think about Biden’s actions and responses, and the topic is shut down? Without explanation? > > And the thread was even closed for some time on 15 August? > > From the OP back on 08 November, @ThelmaLou is clear about what should be discussed here: > > > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > > Okay, I’m gonna do it. The clusterfuck is over and will be dismantled. What will take its place? > > > > What will Biden do? What should he do? What do you want him to do? > > > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-first-executive-orders-measures/2020/11/07/9fb9c1d0-210b-11eb-b532-05c751cd5dc2\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-first-executive-orders-measures/2020/11/07/9fb9c1d0-210b-11eb-b532-05c751cd5dc2_story.html) > > > > > President-elect Joe Biden is planning to quickly sign a series of executive orders after being sworn into office on Jan. 20, immediately forecasting that the country’s politics have shifted and that his presidency will be guided by radically different priorities… > > > > YES!! 👏🏽 > > Here are screenshots of @What_Exit’s statements. The first is appropriate mod action (although partly misplaced), but not any of the others. The last one shows the thread closure; > . > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](https://imgur.com/a/CZYIcEA) > . > > Discussing the Biden administration without discussing Afghanistan goes against the OP. > > If permitted it would be a heavily skewed discussion. > > Please explain, @What_Exit. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1116 "2021-08-27T11:16:23Z")
> **Summary** > > The US had been in Vietnam from 11/1/1955 to 4/30/1975, a span of 19 years, 5 months, 4 weeks and 1 day. > > The US had been in Afghanistan from 10/7/2001 to 8/15/2021, a span of 19 years, 10 months, 1 week and 1 day. This is the longest war in US history. > > We should be able to discuss this in a Biden administration thread. Otherwise it would be like an LBJ thread without Vietnam, which by any reasonable measure borders on ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1117 "2021-08-27T11:16:29Z")
Closed on August 27, 2021, 11:16am UTC ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1118 "2021-08-27T11:35:36Z")
Opened on August 27, 2021, 11:35am UTC This topic was automatically opened after 8 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1119 "2021-08-27T13:36:16Z")
_ **Moderating** _ This isn’t just minor grumbling about moderation in-thread, this is full fledged debate in the wrong place. This is an official warning for disregarding mod instruction and arguing in thread. If you want to discuss that (or this) moderation, please take it to ATMB. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1120 "2021-08-27T14:30:26Z")
Done. I seek input from the OP there also. > [@Mods, OP, why should Afghanistan discussion be disallowed in the Biden Administration thread?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mods-op-why-should-afghanistan-discussion-be-disallowed-in-the-biden-administration-thread/949622): > > Without any explanation our moderator What\_Exit disallowed Afghanistan discussion in the P&E thread, [The Biden Administration - the first 1,500 days (title was recently changed to add no Afghanistan)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057). How can there be a discussion of the Biden administration without talking about the tragic recent events of Afghanistan? Disallowing Afghanistan goes against the OP, bolding mine — . I celebrated when Biden defeated Trump. I’ve been checking this thread off and on through the months to see what… Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1121 "2021-08-27T21:49:25Z")
Well, I’m sure a million or so people getting thrown out onto the street ought to help Democrats keep control of congress in 2022. > **[Democrats rush to avert eviction calamity after ban is blocked](https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/27/democrats-press-pelosi-schumer-to-revive-eviction-ban-507002)** > > Eviction ban advocates in Congress would likely face insurmountable hurdles if they tried to revive the moratorium. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1122 "2021-08-27T22:09:13Z")
And though it is the fault of the Republicans, the Democrats will be the ones blamed. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057/1123 "2021-08-27T22:31:20Z")
Pretty much, which is why I’m increasingly certain that we’re going to end up with illiberal democracy within the next 10 years and probably within the next 5. It’s the same with the pandemic: it’s the idiots - largely anti-science right wing - that are causing the spike in covid cases and yet Biden’s supposed to have some fucking magic wand to just make it all go away. The problem with America, is the Americans. It’s the voters, and the non-voters. The intelligent ones are outnumbered by the apathetic, the conspiracy theorists, and the morons. When a democratic society loses the ability to understand how their own government functions, and whom they should hold accountable, that democratic society is doomed. I don’t see a fix, unfortunately. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biden-administration-the-first-1-500-days-not-an-afghanistan-discussion/925057.md?page=57)