# The Big Bang Theory - "The Raiders Minimization" (10/10/2013) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 11, 2013, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985 "2013-10-11T15:01:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/41 "2013-10-11T17:04:34Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Leonard says to Penny later something to the effect that he was going to surprise her and go right this time. Aha! I didn’t get that line either; I thought he was asking her not to _write_ about it (how they have sex). Jeez, my hearing really _is_ going! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/42 "2013-10-11T17:05:38Z")
Stuart needs to rediscover they way he was when he was first introduced. Nerdy, but not a sad-sack. Then he and Raj can complement each other when trolling for fat chicks in Wonder Woman Underoos. 😃 **terentii** - The reason I heard the lines so clearly has more to do with my own particular tendencies in that area than clarity of delivery. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/43 "2013-10-11T17:06:33Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > **GO** -Malicious or not, she’s still in the wrong here. She knew it’s his favorite movie, and as even you concede, she shouldn’t have said anything. If people don’t want people to do bad things to them, a good start is to not do bad things to them. She didn’t volunteer her opinion. She gave it only after being pressed. Sheldon was trying to control her, and was vexed when she wouldn’t submit. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/44 "2013-10-11T17:07:40Z")
When Stuart said being an artist and a business owner never got him girls, he was forgetting that it was a drawing of Penny he made that got him a few dates with her. And, last week, when he said he’s used to not being invited to stuff-- did he forget the bachelor party and all those Will Wheaton sausagefests? ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/45 "2013-10-11T17:09:21Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > Three different threads have been merged into this one. The continuity may be a little funky. For example: Post #29 is in response to post #26 Post #31 is in response to post #27 ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/46 "2013-10-11T17:12:51Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > **GO** -Malicious or not, she’s still in the wrong here. She knew it’s his favorite movie, and as even you concede, she shouldn’t have said anything. If people don’t want people to do bad things to them, a good start is to not do bad things to them. I agree she was in the wrong, and Sheldon was in the wrong for the way he handled it. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/47 "2013-10-11T17:14:15Z")
The episode gets a meh from me. Sheldon was a dick. Howard was a bigger dick for ruining Leonard’s pity-fuck party. Bernadette wasn’t quite so bitchy–she easily saw through Howard’s lame ass attempt to manipulate her into pity sex, and it rightfully pissed her off. Raj and Stuart just seemed…well, we’re paying these guys, so they need to do something. Get one of the interns to slap something together we can film quickly. We do have apparent confirmation that AFF is a virgin, her volunteerism at the sex/orgasm clinic thing notwithstanding. Guess that did not involve actual sex…more of an electrode to the brain kinda deal. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/48 "2013-10-11T17:14:47Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Stuart could go to Comic-con, play up that he owns a comic book store and have no problem meeting girls. Or getting laid. The problem is that most chicks of this inclination who attend such conventions look good enough to boink only after you’ve consumed mass quantities of alcohol. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/49 "2013-10-11T17:19:46Z")
I wonder if the writers were making a cryptic point to the audience? That the audience should not get caught up in continuity issues. Like the Laura Ingalls eating a Peanut Butter sandwich and the Doc Baker should not have a telephone in Walnut Grove. I think they purposely had the continuity issue with Mr/Mrs Hofstedter previously only having sex for reproduction and now apparently they had S/M roles in the bedroom too. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/50 "2013-10-11T17:22:29Z")
I don’t think they are that meta, but it would be cool if they were… ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/51 "2013-10-11T17:25:57Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Or getting laid. The problem is that most chicks of this inclination who attend such conventions look good enough to boink only after you’ve consumed mass quantities of alcohol. ☹ Speak for yourself, man. The real problem for Stuart with meeting girls at Comic-Con/similar nerd conventions is that the vast majority of them are already in relationships. > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Actually, no. I’ll grant that Marian would have died without Indy’s intervention, but if he’d kept his nose out of the affair after rescuing her the first time (and drawing her into the ultimately pointless quest), the Nazis would still have gotten the Ark and been killed by it. Which is something that Indy did. “Indy is Useless” is a funny gag the first time you hear it, but as soon as you start piling on the exceptions it ceases to be true. And saving Marian and obtaining the Ark are big exceptions. That said, all of them should have heard it by now. It’s almost a meme at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/52 "2013-10-11T17:26:13Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Is there a reason why Bernadette was so bitchy? Pregnant. (Dear God, please, no.) > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > She didn’t volunteer her opinion. She gave it only after being pressed. Sheldon was trying to control her, and was vexed when she wouldn’t submit. Amy doesn’t let Sheldon control her; he tries, but he does not succeed. I don’t think Amy is a virgin, either - something about her magic number way back when when we were meeting her was really high because she views sex like a biologist. At least, I think she used to; as has been mentioned, continuity is not a strength of this show. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/53 "2013-10-11T17:30:11Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Speak for yourself, man. The real problem for Stuart with meeting girls at Comic-Con/similar nerd conventions is that the vast majority of them are already in relationships. > > Which is something that Indy did. “Indy is Useless” is a funny gag the first time you hear it, but as soon as you start piling on the exceptions it ceases to be true. And saving Marian and obtaining the Ark are big exceptions. > > That said, all of them should have heard it by now. It’s almost a meme at this point. I wasn’t saying Indy was useless to the movie; he clearly wasn’t. The entire adventure was ultimately irrelevant to the war effort, but that wasn’t his concern anyway. He failed in his original goal – getting the Ark to a museum for study – but I’m sure that, given an explicit choice between that and saving Marian, he’d have chosen the latter, and he accomplished that. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/54 "2013-10-11T17:40:31Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > I think they purposely had the continuity issue with Mr/Mrs Hofstedter previously only having sex for reproduction and now apparently they had S/M roles in the bedroom too. They could have been doing it for research purposes only. Or, in the past, Beverly simply didn’t want to admit in front of Leonard and his friends that she and her husband at one time actually _enjoyed_ sex (whether recreational or procreational). It wouldn’t have been consistent with her normally uptight character. After her experiences with Sheldon and Penny, she may just have lowered her defenses a bit. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/55 "2013-10-11T17:42:48Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Speak for yourself, man. I **was** speaking for myself! :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/56 "2013-10-11T17:45:07Z")
for some people coitus or kissing has a level of intimacy that other sexual activities don’t. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/57 "2013-10-11T17:48:45Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I don’t think Amy is a virgin, either - something about her magic number way back when when we were meeting her was really high because she views sex like a biologist. In the episode where she meets Zack (I think it was), it was pretty clear that all of the orgasms she’s had were induced artificially in the name of science. Her naughty bits get tingly when she’s introduced to Zack, and it actually takes her a few minutes to realize why. Has anyone ever been able to explain how Indy survived his ocean voyage, BTW? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/58 "2013-10-11T17:49:21Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I wasn’t saying Indy was useless to the movie; he clearly wasn’t. The entire adventure was ultimately irrelevant to the war effort, but that wasn’t his concern anyway. He failed in his original goal – getting the Ark to a museum for study – but I’m sure that, given an explicit choice between that and saving Marian, he’d have chosen the latter, and he accomplished that. That’s Amy Farrah Fowler talk right there. He “failed” only if you use a very narrow definition of “failure.” Obtaining the Ark was the goal. It’s final resting place doesn’t much matter after Marian gets involved. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/59 "2013-10-11T17:50:01Z")
(The thread merges and starting this post earlier and coming back is messing with the continuity. Sorry if things don’t flow right.) Another so-so episode. It’s been something on the order of 2+ seasons now without a really re-watchable episode. No, AFF wasn’t a jerk. She was just pointing out something she noticed. Everyone is entitled to do this and it is far less picky than what the 4 guys do all the time. Retaliating _is_ being a jerk. It seems the whole purpose of this storyline was to lead up to AFF being oblivious to the flaws in something else: Sheldon. The Leonard using his mom’s book to manage Penny was lame. Even Penny should have seen it without any help from Bernadette. Stuart (gotta remember how to spell that) and Raj: So it’s loser Stuart again. He can’t think of any positive attributes. Raj mentions being a great artist and a business owner. Stuart responds that those didn’t help him get women. Umm, you mean like Penny who he dated after he drew her picture at his business? (BTW: Stuart is a graduate of the Rhode Island School of Design.) When Leonard meets Penny in the lobby, he is carrying a tote bag which apparently is for Stuart’s comic book shop. I can’t see it well enough to confirm it says “The Comic Center of Pasadena” or anything. OTOH, any episode with Christine Baranski, even on a computer screen, isn’t a complete loss. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985/60 "2013-10-11T17:56:10Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > That’s Amy Farrah Fowler talk right there. He “failed” only if you use a very narrow definition of “failure.” Obtaining the Ark was the goal. It’s final resting place doesn’t much matter after Marian gets involved. Good god, man, I have said several times that Indy did NOT fail overall. He wasn’t on the quest to help win the war, and it’s not his fault the Ark didn’t get studied; in fact I expect he’d be ambivalent about the government just putting it away, as the very nature of its power probably makes studying it pointless. In a perfect world he’d have wanted Marian alive and the Ark brought to his museum, but if he had to choose one, he wouldn’t have blinked at saving Marian first. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bang-theory-the-raiders-minimization-10-10-2013/670985.md?page=4)