# The Big Bang's Trinity?

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [January 11, 2012, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bangs-trinity/609198 "2012-01-11T19:41:06Z")\
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**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\
**Post date:** [January 12, 2012, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-big-bangs-trinity/609198/44 "2012-01-12T03:38:18Z")

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> 1. This is a very exact example of what I am talking about. You just made that statement as fact, when indeed you know as well as I do that it is not necessarily true. Have you ever seen an optical illusion? Is it actually expanding? Is it too much more of a leap of faith to say God created it to continually expand? We do know and can actually observe parts of nature that do work constantly and in a pattern…can’t we?

It is an observed fact–not a postulate or a hypothesis or an article of faith or anything like that–that when we measure the distance to far-away galaxies, and then look at the light they emit, we see that they have a red shift proportional to their distance. We know from experiments on Earth (and basic physics) that a red shift can be caused by something receding from the observer.

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> 1. What evidence? There is no evidence…there is theory and hypothesis. Theory and hypothesis are not equal to evidence…are they?

That _is_ the evidence, to start with. Later on, they detected radio waves from space–in all directions, any direction you look–called the cosmic background radiation–which was _predicted_ to exist, before anyone actually detected it. It’s considered a very good sign for a hypothesis if it _predicts_ that evidence will be found, and then that evidence is, in fact, found. (“My theory is that John Doe, having beaten the victim to death with a five iron–which is the only weapon that would make _exactly_ the pattern of marks found on the victim’s skull–must have thrown the murder weapon into the garbage shute in the moments before the janitor, alerted by the victim’s cries for help, arrived at the scene. So, let’s all go down to the basement and look in the bottom of the garbage shaft…Aha! A five iron! With the victim’s blood _and_ John Doe’s fingerprints on it!”)

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> I am willing to accept things that I was not present for/experienced (btw, can’t anyone come up with a new line of questions?) as long as they are observable or have an accurate historical account with them from a reputable source.
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> 1. LOL…seriously…lol, again a gratuitous statement of “fact”. Please tell me more about myself. You have no idea who I am nor I you. I am simply stating that because we can observe the galaxy expanding…It certainly is not proof of a big bang. Very similarly, because the Bible exists does not guarantee the existence of God.

So astronomy doesn’t look at things that are “observable”? Also, no one is claiming that the galaxy is expanding. I realize you think all this is just pointy-headed liberal secular humanist nonsense, but you really should brush up on it before you get into debates about it. Otherwise, you look like an atheist who says he doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ because he read the Iliad and there was a bunch of stuff in there that obviously isn’t true.

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