# The biggest shock: Pro-Bush gays **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 4, 2004, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021 "2004-11-04T19:24:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/1 "2004-11-04T19:24:47Z")
[As in 2000, more than 20% of gays vote for Bush](http://www.advocate.com/new_news.asp?ID=14270&sd=11/04/04) > [@](#): > > The strongest support of the president from GLBT voters came from those living in the South and the rural Midwest. For example, in the Northeast, only about 8% of gay and lesbian voters picked Bush, while that figure soared to about 30% in the South. Words fail me. I never understood Union workers like my dad who supported Reagan. I don’t understand poor, working-class voters who support Republicans. But what really fries my brain is trying to comprehend how a gay person could vote for George W. Bush. It makes no sense to had a bullet to someone who has you in their sights. I know one gay man who said before the election that he might vote for Bush because he was afraid Kerry would institute a draft and his son is draft age. The logic made smoke come out of my ears as the gears ground to a halt. I tried to explain that it would take an act of Congress and it was such a third rail that there’s no way Kerry would propose such a thing. I don’t know if he was swayed. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/2 "2004-11-04T19:32:16Z")
Well, it is entirely possible that there are more than a few people who feel that their personal beliefs \*just might not \* make good public policy. There are any number of things I feel strongly about, while acknowledging that my views wouldn’t work on a nationwide basis. Maybe the gays who voted Republican thought the same way. Or they are willing to sacrifice a right they don’t want to get a public policy they do want. I find it hard to believe that 100% of gays in America support gay marriage without question. You can’t get that kind of agreement from **any** group! ---
**Author:** ![SusanStoHelit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@SusanStoHelit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SusanStoHelit)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/3 "2004-11-04T19:49:41Z")
Here in Oregon, there was a commercial put out by the anti-SSMers featuring a male gay couple. This couple of nine years argued against SSM, saying that it is unnecessary as there are other ways of getting the legal benifits associated with marriage. I don’t know if they were legit - any other Oregon Dopers have the scoop? ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/4 "2004-11-04T19:55:59Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I find it hard to believe that 100% of gays in America support gay marriage without question. You can’t get that kind of agreement from **any** group! It’s about more than marriage. Let us not forget that Bush has said Scalia is his favorite Supreme Court Justice. Scalia’s dissent in _Lawrence_ is a frightening look at his mindset. Don’t forget that it was under Bush’s leadership in Texas that that case began. His Administration aruged in support of the Texas law. Bush supports the FMA which would ban even Civil Unions, not just marriage. Bush supports the ban on openly gay service members. The Bush Administration opposes equal benefits for the same-sex spouses of federal employees. Bush offered no opposition to the anti-gay planks in the GOP Platform. And on and on … No. It’s much more than just marriage. [Is it all about the $$$?](http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0444/sutton.php) ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/5 "2004-11-04T20:07:47Z")
Big deal. Every lesbian I’ve ever met has been pro-bush. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/6 "2004-11-04T20:36:45Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Big deal. Every lesbian I’ve ever met has been pro-bush. Ba-da-bing. So lesbians don’t shave? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/7 "2004-11-04T20:45:37Z")
Do you think that gay people are all so one dimensional that they vote based on only one issue? Do you think that they’re incapable of looking at a candidate on the whole and choosing the best one based on all of the issues? A Bush presidency will make me a lot more money yet I voted for Kerry. Does that shock you? Haj ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/8 "2004-11-04T20:55:09Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Well, it is entirely possible that there are more than a few people who feel that their personal beliefs \*just might not \* make good public policy. Then why would they vote for somebody who bases his policy on his personal beliefs? Clearly you’re right. There are gay people who think that Bush’s anti-gay policies aren’t as important as something else. But I can’t imagine a rational gay voter coming up with the above as the reason for it. ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/9 "2004-11-04T20:56:39Z")
> [@SusanStoHelit](#): > > Here in Oregon, there was a commercial put out by the anti-SSMers featuring a male gay couple. This couple of nine years argued against SSM, saying that it is unnecessary as there are other ways of getting the legal benifits associated with marriage. Dunno if that’s a real gay couple or not, but their position is utter bullshit. There is NO other way to get most of the legal benefits of marriage. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Cannot be done. At all. Fucking retards. Fuck America. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/10 "2004-11-04T21:02:14Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > Words fail me. I never understood Union workers like my dad who supported Reagan. I don’t understand poor, working-class voters who support Republicans. But what really fries my brain is trying to comprehend how a gay person could vote for George W. Bush. It makes no sense to had a bullet to someone who has you in their sights. BUT IT HAPPENED. Some union people did vote for Reagan. Some poor, working-class people support Bush. So do some gays. If you don’t understand it, maybe - just maybe - that suggests to you that it’s not such a cut-and-dried issue. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/11 "2004-11-04T21:03:40Z")
It’s not like a vote for Kerry was really going to give them anything, either. He said he wanted to leave it up to the states. Well, that’s what happened this election and it wasn’t pretty. It’s going to take more than a waffly president to change things. ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/12 "2004-11-04T21:06:33Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > BUT IT HAPPENED. Some union people did vote for Reagan. Some poor, working-class people support Bush. So do some gays. If you don’t understand it, maybe - just maybe - that suggests to you that it’s not such a cut-and-dried issue. Go fuck yourself, you gloating piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/13 "2004-11-04T21:07:49Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > It’s not like a vote for Kerry was really going to give them anything, either. He said he wanted to leave it up to the states. Well, that’s what happened this election and it wasn’t pretty. It’s going to take more than a waffly president to change things. It gives us SAFETY. From a Federal government being led by a religious fanatic. From a Federal government being led by someone who is COMMITTED to dismembering the civil rights of gays. Kerry considers us people. Kerry considers us Americans. George W. Bush is about two steps removed from wanting us rounded up and shot. Fuck America. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/14 "2004-11-04T21:24:22Z")
> [@spectrum](#): > > Go fuck yourself, you gloating piece of shit. Is he gloating again!? :mad: You mean he keeps bring up the fact that **George W. Bush** won the 2004 Presidential election? Or is he harping on the sweeping Republican victories in the House Congressional races? Don’t tell me that he keeps going on about the Republican gains in the Senate! I can’t tell you how much it would piss me off if **Bricker** just kept talking about the incredible victory of the GOP! I mean, how often does one need to mention the Republican victories? It’s not like if he said, ‘Hey, **spectrum** , did you hear that the Republicans kicked serious ass, with massive gains across the board, while the demmies were sent crying for their mommas’ that anything would change, right? It is just so _crass_ for him to wave the GOP 2004 victories in your face like that! In other words, go fuck yourself, **spectrum**. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/15 "2004-11-04T21:25:00Z")
> [@Homebrew](#): > > So lesbians don’t shave? I never intend to be in a position to find out. Otto, laughing to keep from weeping ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/16 "2004-11-04T21:29:10Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Is he gloating again!? :mad: > > You mean he keeps bring up the fact that **George W. Bush** won the 2004 Presidential election? > > Or is he harping on the sweeping Republican victories in the House Congressional races? > > Don’t tell me that he keeps going on about the Republican gains in the Senate! > > I can’t tell you how much it would piss me off if **Bricker** just kept talking about the incredible victory of the GOP! I mean, how often does one need to mention the Republican victories? > > It’s not like if he said, ‘Hey, **spectrum** , did you hear that the Republicans kicked serious ass, with massive gains across the board, while the demmies were sent crying for their mommas’ that anything would change, right? It is just so _crass_ for him to wave the GOP 2004 victories in your face like that! > > In other words, go fuck yourself, **spectrum**. The day you finally do the world the favor of dying should be made a national holiday. Scum like you are everything that is wrong with America: pure bigotry, pure selfishness, pure warmongering, pure greed, pure evil. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/17 "2004-11-04T21:31:27Z")
**Brtus** , despite our differences, when you bitchslap a whiner like **Spectrum** , you just make me love you all the more. **Spectrum** , time to face up to the facts: we lost. America wasn’t wrong, we were in selling our platform to them. Deal and learn from the experience. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/18 "2004-11-04T21:35:10Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Big deal. Every lesbian I’ve ever met has been pro-bush. Next time we’re in Madison, you can meet my SO. ---
**Author:** ![spectrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@spectrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spectrum)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/19 "2004-11-04T21:36:39Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > **Spectrum** , time to face up to the facts: we lost. America wasn’t wrong, we were in selling our platform to them. Deal and learn from the experience. America IS wrong. Very wrong. Totally wrong. America is supporting bigotry, and that’s totally fucking wrong, no matter how big of a margin (Bush’s was small) you get. If 90% had voted for the GOP and their bash-the-gays strategy, they’d still be wrong, and they’d still be worthless fucking bigots. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021/20 "2004-11-04T21:37:11Z")
Yeah, it’s hard to believe that gays have failed to support, Borg-like, the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell Party. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-biggest-shock-pro-bush-gays/273021.md?page=2)