The Black and White Film Appreciation Thread: Part 1 Dr Strangelove

Shoot, a fella’ could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.

Re: the OP, the use of B&W in the movie is essential for a couple of reasons. Not only is it easy to match up the stock footage of nuclear explosions, but it gives the invasion of Ripper’s base a true newsreel verite feel. Also, the B&W accentuates the sinister spaciousness of Ken Adams’ brilliant set designs.

The Director of Photography for Strangelove was Gilbert Taylor, who directed other B&W classics like Repulsion and A Hard Day’s Night, not to mention a small little film you may have heard of called Star Wars. Never received an Oscar nomination though.

I’m pretty sure age doesn’t have anything to do with it, it’s more taste.

I’m 21, and I was about 19 or 20 when I first saw Dr. Strangelove, and I loved it. It’s a hilarious movie. Even though I don’t personally remember anything about the Cold War, I know about it, and c’mon, how can someone not get a cultural reference like thinking everything is a commie plot? :dubious: But, I do like dark humor, so maybe that’s why I enjoyed it so much.

Didn’t Slim Pickens think he was in a serious movie?

Here’s some trivia for you film buffs.

  1. The scene where the President of the United States (Sellers) calls the Russian head of state (Dmitri) and informs Dmitri of the upcoming attack was improvised by Sellers.

  2. When Slim Pickens is going through his “bag of goodies” the original script called for him to say Shoot, a fella’ could have a pretty good weekend in Dallas with all that stuff. However due to the JFK getting killed there right around the time of the film’s release, Kubrick went back and had the word “Vegas” inserted there. Watch Slim’s lips and you’ll see him say “Dallas”.

  3. This was James Earl Jone’s film debut.

Anyway…it’s one of the best films ever made!

People don’t appreciate Dr. Strangelove?! Infidels!

I guess in a way I can see it. It’s one thing to know about something intellectually; it’s another thing to have experienced it. Dr. Strangelove’s humor was the humor of nervous laughter, and if you were never nervous in that particular way, I could see not finding hte laughter so funny.

Still, though. It’s a fantastic movie.

I grew up susicious of old movies, too: we just didn’t watch them in my house, and the ones that came on TV seemed to be wholesome fiber-filled educational Leave it to Beaver movies. It wasn’t until I went to college that I discovered the magical world of Humphrey Bogart and Alfred Hitchcock, and realized that there have always been twisted senses of humor in Hollywood.

Some nominations for future parts:
The Maltese Falcon, containing my favorite snappy dialogue;
Casablanca, with great humor and pathos;
Dial M for Murder, the most plot-filled movie I’ve ever seen; and
Dead Man, an example of what a modern director can do with black and white.

Daniel

Gee, given that Fail-Safe opened after Strangelove, how do you think he managed to do that?

:rolleyes:

Quoth Banger:

I think I can see the reasoning. Before the development of color, there wasn’t a choice. Maybe some old movies would have been better in color; it’s hard to say. But after the invention of color film, filmmakers had a choice. Now, if a movie is made in B&W, it’s because the movie maker wants it that way. It’s an artistic decision, now, not just a technical one.

For what it’s worth, I think that in order to appreciate this film, you need to have spent at least one sleepless night as a child scared to death of nuclear annihilation because of something you (or your parents) saw on the 6:00 news. I rather clearly remember one night (though I can’t reconstruct, in retrospect, what the specific crisis was) that Mom said in no uncertain terms that the world as we knew it might not exist the next morning.

my bad
i mistyped… kubrick had read the book that failsafe was based on and the film was not a parody of failsafe, but in fact a parody of the failsafe-esque type of film… interestingly, according to imdb:

“Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) has a remarkably similar premise, and was being made by Stanley Kubrick at the same time. Kubrick threatened legal action, claiming plagiarism. The issue was settled when Columbia Pictures agreed to push Kubrick’s film at the expense of Fail-Safe (1964), which subsequently bombed at the box office.”

i learn something new everyday

SELLERS: I cannot play Maj. Kong, I have a leg injury.

KUBRICK: But have you seen the other actors? It’s Slim Pickens! :stuck_out_tongue:

My favorite line is still this one:

"Stay on the bomb run, boys! I’m gonna get them doors open if it harelips everybody on Bear Creek."

I’m sorry, but I don’t believe anyone–not even Peter Sellers–could have delivered that line better than Slim Pickens.

I’m 23 and I just recently saw Dr. Strangelove. I have to say that normally I’m not as interested in black and white movies. Not to say they are bad, but it takes a bit more motivation to go see them.

While I don’t think I experienced the same things that some of the older Dopers did during the cold war, I think I have enough of an understanding of the situation to appreciate the movie. It was actually quite a bit better than I expected initially.

Great idea Consider it done!

I’ll accept any nominations for the next few weeks but that one is too good to pass up.

Aye there is the rub

Remember Wizard of Oz and Gone with the Wind (1930s) both had colour. Technicolour was around at an earlier stage than most people were aware of. True it was more expensive and took a while to become the norm but colour films exist in almost every decade of films history (The earliest being hand tinted) By the time of Strangelove Kubrick could have easily chosen colour (the Best Picture of that year was My Fair Lady in glorious technocolour) however it was an artistic choice that has been explained in another post.

There are many films where colour simply would have been a deterence. Many of the 1940s Film noir would have failed to evoke the mood and style had they been done in colour. True China Town came cloes to evoking that same mood but lacked the true atmosphere of the shadows and lightplay that b/w cinematographers excelled at.

Many do “know” that Dr Strangelove appears only in the last half of the film, that is not so: while the general (George C Scott) is talking to the president early in the war room scene one thinks he is talking in real time to the president (Sellers); watching the movie recently, on a large TV, I noticed that a few seats to the right of the general there was Strangelove (Sellers again)!

So, a take that would have been easier to do by Kubrik (by not showing Strangelove) is in reality a great piece of editing and acting only noticed after one sees the movie again.

IMO the capacity for a movie to surprise, even on a second viewing, is one of the attributes of a true classic.
If you still think it was not serious that Sellers was going to play Maj.T.J Kong check this test shot of Sellers as Kong:

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http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/3566/strangeimage.html

After looking that, I agree that it was good Pickens got the part. :smiley:

For me, it’s exactly the opposite: I love black and white films. Black and white captures an interplay of light and shadow and lends a beautiful aura of mystique that color movies (or modern directors) cannot. * Schindler’s List * is a great example of the wonderful lighting and shadow of black and white films. Early in the movie, when Oskar is filmed from the back, and his cigarette smoke swirls upward is gorgeous, cinematically speaking.

Dr. Strangelove is the midnight movie at the Inwood Theatre here in Dallas three weekends from now. I am so totally stoked.

(2001 was the midnight movie a few months ago. That was the most glorious night of cinema of my life. The Shining is on tomorrow night. Obviously, the folks who run the Inwood have a major love of Kubrick, which is just fine with me.)

The first color film was released in 1908. The first color feature, a documentary, was released in 1912. The first dramatic feature filmed in color was released in 1914. Color has been available for virtually the entire history of feature-length motion pictures.

The first year in which color feature production in the U.S. outnumbered black and white feature production: 1954.

Maybe you taught it wrong. The film is more topical than ever, now that nuclear weapons are once again considered legitimate thanks to the twisted minds of Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz.
Cheney, by the way, bears an uncanny resemblance to Strangelove, with the same bizarre physical tics and pathological love of high-tech weaponry. Cheney, recall, advised Bush I to use low-grade nuclear weapons during the Gulf War. Both Bush and Powell were reportedly shocked at the idea… “Mein fuehrer!–
I mean Mr. President!”

since “night of the living dead” has been nominated next week, i’d like to nominate for the week after that:

Akira Kurosawa’s “Rashomon”

amazing film. if you’ve ever seen a movie where the camera is pointed at the sun(perhaps Mike Nichols’ “The Graduate” or David Lean’s “Lawrence of Arabia”) this is because of Rashomon, which was the first movie ever to do that. also, if you’re ever interested in more about the revolutionary camerawork from this film(in gasp black and white), check out the criterion collection dvd of it… but anyway, thus i have made my nomination :slight_smile:

Major Kong:

“Well boys, we got three engines out, we got more holes in us than a horse trader’s mule, the radio’s gone and we’re leaking fuel – and if we was flying any lower why we’d need sleigh bells on this thing. But we got one little fudge on them Ruskies, at this height why they might harpoon us but they dang sure ain’t gonna spot us on no radar.”