# The Book of Boba Fett **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [November 1, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653 "2021-11-01T20:36:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/421 "2022-02-05T15:03:03Z")
\“These are not the younglings you’re looking for.” “Shit. Didn’t work.” ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/422 "2022-02-05T16:24:00Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > > [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > > > Is Yoda’s species as littpe-known and mysterious “in-universe” as it is for the audience? Meaning, _we_ don’t know the name of his species or home planet or anything, but would, for example, Mace Windu have known? > > It’s not clear, but that appears to be the case. A big part of Season 1 of The Mandalorian was that no one seemed to know what the hell Grogu was. Just finding out he was a Jedi was a big step forward. Yet, somehow, when Baby Yoda was first mentioned, it was known that he was an 80 year old infant from a long-lived race. If the species is meant to be so mysterious, they should have let the audience figure that fact out for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/423 "2022-02-05T17:48:34Z")
When Baby Yoda was first mentioned, all anyone on screen knew was that there was a contract out, and the contract didn’t have any identifying information except the target’s location and age. We didn’t learn that it was an infant until Mando found him at the end of the episode. Nobody knows that he’s from an exceptionally long lived race, except through inference of him being 80, and still an infant. That said… > [@Horatius](#): > > It’s not clear, but that appears to be the case. A big part of Season 1 of The Mandalorian was that no one seemed to know what the hell Grogu was. Just finding out he was a Jedi was a big step forward. > > We haven’t seen that with any of the other alien species common in the SW universe. We’ve also never had a plot in a Star Wars show that revolved around needing to know an alien’s origin without being able to just ask him. There’s thousands and thousands of different sentient species in the SW universe, and nobody is going to know them all. Like, pretty much nobody in the galaxy knew what an Ewok was before the battle of Endor, but that’s not because Ewoks are mysterious, it’s just because it’s a big galaxy. FWIW, in the old EU, Yoda’s species is explicitly mysterious. There’s a bit in the Zahn books where Luke mentions trying to find out what Yoda was by searching the New Republic’s archives, and there’s no mention of them. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/424 "2022-02-05T18:19:08Z")
80? I thought Grogu was 50. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/425 "2022-02-05T18:20:30Z")
I was going off the poster I was responding to, who said 80. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/426 "2022-02-05T18:44:11Z")
I remember it as 50. Still a long time to be a “child”. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/427 "2022-02-05T21:33:27Z")
Not if you live to be 900. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/428 "2022-02-05T22:05:53Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > We didn’t learn that it was an infant until Mando found him at the end of the episode. Nobody knows that he’s from an exceptionally long lived race, except through inference of him being 80, and still an infant. I totally misremember what happened in that episode. I thought Carl Weathers laid it all out for us. I probably conflated it with some online “what you need to know…” blog. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/429 "2022-02-06T00:45:04Z")
> As for Luke continuing to further the Jedi lack of attachment bullshit…Luke, “This is why you fail.” I’m surprised Ahsoka, who witnessed first-hand the bullshit of the Jedi Order, and what it did to both her and Anakin, is just like, “Anakin’s son wants to reboot the Jedi Order exactly the way it was back when I told those fucks to fuck off? Sounds good!” My theory is that Grogu takes the mail shirt, and goes back to Mando. The twist will be that _Ahsoka_ ultimately trains Grogu in the Force, but not as a Jedi. She understands the need for attachment, but also knows a shit-ton about the Force that she could pass on to Grogu. Grogu is too powerful in the Force for Ahsoka to just ignore. I also suspect Sabine plays a role in his training, with perhaps a smattering of Ezra. And that would set up Grogu to end up being a fucking badass wielding the Darksaber as the head of Mandalore, instead of a corpse under the rubble at Luke’s Jedi Academy. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/430 "2022-02-06T00:50:04Z")
Luke’s approach to training Jedi has to match up with what we saw of it in the sequel trilogy. You can’t veer off into a different path now. Also he will be only doing what he thinks is right based on what little he has experienced of being trained himself, which is sweet FA. You can’t have him leap in and immediately say “I’ll do it differently and fix everything” especially since we know his method failed. If it failed, then he must have done some things wrong. Perhaps this is the thing he did that was wrong. Therefore we must show him doing the thing. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/431 "2022-02-06T00:54:02Z")
I understand that, I’m just surprised Ahsoka isn’t doing more to talk him out of it. She saw first-hand what went wrong; I’d think she’d be doing all she could to guide Luke a bit more so as not to repeat the mistakes that fucked everything up not 30 years earlier. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/432 "2022-02-06T01:08:45Z")
There’s no reason to think Ahsoka believed eliminating emotional attachment was a problem. Her issue that caused her to leave the Jedi Order was their hubris and arrogance. In any case, Luke has to go through the established process before he can really know if he’s doing it the right way. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/433 "2022-02-06T01:17:05Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I’m just surprised Ahsoka isn’t doing more to talk him out of it It’s all off-screen so far. You can tell she doesn’t approve of Grogu’s training. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/434 "2022-02-06T01:20:35Z")
I didn’t necessarily get that vibe, but I’ll admit I may have missed it through my tears of happiness and teenage-girl squeals. ETA: I hope there’s an eventual falling-out between Luke and Ahsoka, which sends her as far as possible from Luke and the stories of the sequels, but straight into future stories of Mandalore and Grogu. The way you can save the sequel era is by having better stories being told that happened elsewhere in the galaxy, and perhaps ultimately having the two storylines meet up (Rey & Grogu, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/435 "2022-02-06T01:35:45Z")
Paraphrasing the show: Luke: “Grogu doesn’t seem to actually _want_ to do Jedi trainng.” Ashoka: “Yeah he reminds me of your dad.” Luke (thinking) “Ohshit.” (later) Luke: “So, Grogu, you don’t _have_ to stick around if you don’t want to.” ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/436 "2022-02-06T05:12:53Z")
My problem with Grogu wielding the Dark Saber and actually being the titular Mandalorian is…how do we get from point A to B without it being silly? At BEST, Yoda (With years of goodwill from us) worked mostly as a wise councilor and sorta worked in the lightsaber fights. More against Palpatine. How the heck are going to get from a cute baby to someone who wields the dark saber (and remember Yoda had a short light saber) and can speak? It would take ages to get there without it being silly. And Im sure this is just me but, My suspension of disbelief is straining enough as it is to accept a feeling of paternity towards Grogu from Din Djarin as opposed to…just wanting to do the right thing and willing to go pretty far to do it. Like I said, Im sure its just me. Would _I_ do everything that Din has done for Grogu? Sure. Would I feel a paternal bond and want to visit? mmmmmm…Like you would a PET you had to give away? See this is where im getting hung up. Does Din really feel like Grogu is his son? Are we going to get some Mando flashbacks to show that some alien “Child of the Watch” raised Din and would take off his helmet for Din? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/437 "2022-02-06T05:25:25Z")
Mandalorians are big on foundlings. Notably in the clan he was raised, those are the “way.” Din is only a Mandalorian because he was found and adopted. I can buy that he would be this attached to a child that he found. It’s his culture. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/438 "2022-02-06T05:34:54Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > How the heck are going to get from a cute baby to someone who wields the dark saber He’s a 50-year-old baby who, what we know from the flashback, is probably already very skilled in the Force; he may just need to have his memory jogged. I can see a number of potential characters bringing out his badassery-- Ahsoka, Ezra, Luke, Sabine, Bo-Katan. I wanted to see a new order of Force users arise in the sequels, and for the Jedi to go away. I’m cautiously optimistic that the D+ series can still deliver, what with Ahsoka and the Mandalorians and the Darksaber moving to the forefront. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/439 "2022-02-06T07:01:46Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > It’s all off-screen so far. You can tell she doesn’t approve of Grogu’s training. And keep in mind - Ahsoka has her own shit to get done. She’s out to find Thrawn and presumably her missing friends. She doesn’t have time to stop and spend several years or decades training Grogu, but she realizes that someone has to do it, and Luke might not be perfect, but he’s the only living Jedi she knows of. And then there’s something else I just thought of - Ahsoka became Anakin’s padawan right at the beginning of the Clone Wars, in 22 BBY, when she was 14 years old. It’s within the realm of possibility that she and Grogu knew each other as younglings in the Temple on Coruscant, which might be another reason she refused to train him - she herself could have an emotional attachment to him. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653/440 "2022-02-06T16:32:49Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And keep in mind - Ahsoka has her own shit to get done. If it comes down to it, she can walk and chew gum at the same time, so I don’t think her plans to find Thrawn/Ezra would get in the way of training Grogu too. Kanan, who was a lot further behind in his Jedi training than Ahsoka was, was able to train both Ezra _and_ Sabine while still getting shit done with the Ghost crew-- blind! Sometimes the best training comes in the field. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-book-of-boba-fett/953653.md?page=23)