# The Bowling Green Massacre **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 3, 2017, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895 "2017-02-03T12:08:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/21 "2017-02-03T13:52:58Z")
Wait so was she defending trumps decision or Obama’s? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/22 "2017-02-03T13:55:35Z")
> [@IlikePlants](#): > > **And now everybody knows that Iraqi refugees were here intending to cause harm.** They also know that, in the very rare circumstances where refugees from Iraq come here intending harm, the system works: they get caught, they don’t get away with it. There’s no need to change the system. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/23 "2017-02-03T14:02:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > We should wait a decent period, like, say, some time after it actually happens. I’m confused, won’t that be too late? The best time to stop fake terrorist attacks is before they happen! I’m already hearing reports that Trump has prevented coordinated attacks at 4 separate Bloomfield’s\* locations across the country. That’s the kind of aggressive, proactive approach this country needs! \*Bloomfield’s is a fantastic sandwich joint founded in 2018, if you haven’t heard of it. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/24 "2017-02-03T14:05:43Z")
> [@IlikePlants](#): > > She intentionally phrased it in a way Cool story, bro. ---
**Author:** ![Whiskey\_Dickens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9fc348/32.png) [@Whiskey\_Dickens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whiskey_Dickens)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/25 "2017-02-03T14:05:50Z")
Are you guys on drugs??? [The Bowling Green Massacre happened.](https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/aug/14/corvette-museum-wrecked-cars-sinkhole-exhibit) Full stop. 8 casualties, 5 dead. [It’s on YouTube for Christ’s sake.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IukDWhf7U9I) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/26 "2017-02-03T14:15:11Z")
> [@IlikePlants](#): > > She intentionally phrased it in a way that would make the media lose their mind and have everyone googling today. > > She wasn’t refering to an incident that happened, but to one that was thwarted. They caught the 2 little pieces of garbage before they could do anything. But there was little to no media coverage. > > **And now everybody knows that Iraqi refugees were here intending to cause harm.** In Iraq. Not that there’s anything right with that. > [@](#): > > She is privy to information that the average Che lover is not: “Che lover”? Seriously? Way to instantly make yourself ignorable, dude. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/27 "2017-02-03T14:16:10Z")
> [@IlikePlants](#): > > She intentionally phrased it in a way that would make the media lose their mind and have everyone googling today. > > She wasn’t refering to an incident that happened,\*\* but to one that was thwarted.\*\* They caught the 2 little pieces of garbage before they could do anything. But there was little to no media coverage. > > **And now everybody knows that Iraqi refugees were here intending to cause harm.** > She is privy to information that the average Che lover is not: > Documents filed by the United States describe in detail the material support activities of the men in Bowling Green. Without Hammadi present, **Alwan loaded money and weapons he believed were being sent to Iraq** on five occasions from September 2010 through February 2011, handling five rocket-propelled grenade launchers, five machine guns, two sniper rifles, two cases of C4 explosive and what he believed to be $375,000. After Hammadi joined Alwan in January 2011, the two men loaded money and weapons together on five occasions from January to May 2011. Together, on these five occasions, they loaded five rocket-propelled grenade launchers, five machine guns, five cases of C4 explosive, two sniper rifles, one box of 12 hand grenades, two Stinger surface-to-air missile launchers and what they believed to be a total of $565,000. Alwan and Hammadi were recorded by video during these operations. > > That is some serious hardware. If the stuff was going to Iraq, how could a attack in Bowling Green be thwarted? And just so you know, the deficiency in the background check was identified and closed and past records reviewed with the new process. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/28 "2017-02-03T14:17:42Z")
OK, I have intentionally been avoiding the news, and am unaware of any of this. You guys have my head spinning. Did Kellyanne Conway refer to an attack that didn’t happen, as though something did happen?? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/29 "2017-02-03T14:21:56Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > OK, I have intentionally been avoiding the news, and am unaware of any of this. You guys have my head spinning. Did Kellyanne Conway refer to an attack that didn’t happen, as though something did happen?? That would be correct. She took the results of an FBI sting under Obama and called it a massacre. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/30 "2017-02-03T14:23:41Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > OK, I have intentionally been avoiding the news, and am unaware of any of this. You guys have my head spinning. Did Kellyanne Conway refer to an attack that didn’t happen, as though something did happen?? Have you ever heard her say anything truthful? Yes, she did make up an attack. Even blamed the MSM for not covering it. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/31 "2017-02-03T14:25:08Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Why settle for just one when you can have a whole Administration full of Baghdad Bobs, from Dolt 45 on down? Dolt 45, snerk, I’m stealing that! ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/32 "2017-02-03T14:27:04Z")
Given the scale of the massacre, what’s the appropriate amount of time to keep the Kentucky flag on my facebook photo? ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/33 "2017-02-03T14:31:29Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats](#): > > Aw darn, I was hoping we’d get a new folk song outta this I’d be more up for something like _The Kinks Are the Bowling Green Preservation Society._ ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/34 "2017-02-03T14:32:37Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > If the stuff was going to Iraq, how could a attack in Bowling Green be thwarted? > And just so you know, the deficiency in the background check was identified and closed and past records reviewed with the new process. Not to mention, who actually supplied the weaponry? I’m guessing it was a sting operation, but maybe someone can confirm that. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/35 "2017-02-03T14:34:25Z")
> [@IlikePlants](#): > > She wasn’t refering to an incident that happened, but to one that was thwarted. They caught the 2 little pieces of garbage before they could do anything. But there was little to no media coverage. > > **And now everybody knows that Iraqi refugees were here intending to cause harm.** > She is privy to information that the average Che lover is not: > Documents filed by the United States describe in detail the material support activities of the men in Bowling Green. Without Hammadi present, Alwan loaded money and weapons he believed were being sent to Iraq on five occasions from September 2010 through February 2011, handling five rocket-propelled grenade launchers, five machine guns, two sniper rifles, two cases of C4 explosive and what he believed to be $375,000. After Hammadi joined Alwan in January 2011, the two men loaded money and weapons together on five occasions from January to May 2011. Together, on these five occasions, they loaded five rocket-propelled grenade launchers, five machine guns, five cases of C4 explosive, two sniper rifles, one box of 12 hand grenades, two Stinger surface-to-air missile launchers and what they believed to be a total of $565,000. Alwan and Hammadi were recorded by video during these operations. > > That is some serious hardware. It is indeed serious hardware. But it was planned for Iraq, not Bowling Green. And I’m not really a Che lover, although I [like to think I had a balanced view](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3122/whats-the-real-story-on-che-guevara) on the man. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/36 "2017-02-03T14:35:52Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > If the stuff was going to Iraq, how could a attack in Bowling Green be thwarted? Obviously, the Feds thwarted the attack by tricking the attackers into shipping their weapons and explosives and stuff to the wrong country. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/37 "2017-02-03T14:41:24Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Not to mention, who actually supplied the weaponry? I’m guessing it was a sting operation, but maybe someone can confirm that. [Good guess](https://www.libertarianinstitute.org/2017/02/extreme-vetting-homeland-security-theater-case-bowling-green-attack/): > [@](#): > > During a meeting on November 8, 2010, as recounted in the criminal complaint, the FBI’s undercover asset told Alwan “to pick up weapons from a storage facility, place them in bags, and deliver them” to a waiting vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/38 "2017-02-03T14:42:34Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > OK, I have intentionally been avoiding the news, and am unaware of any of this. You guys have my head spinning. Did Kellyanne Conway refer to an attack that didn’t happen, as though something did happen?? She was simply providing some alternative facts. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/39 "2017-02-03T15:03:43Z")
Mark my words - In four years, the Democrat’s lack of response to the “Bowling Green Massacre” will be a top campaign issue. Right up there with “emails” and “Benghazi(!)”. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895/40 "2017-02-03T15:14:51Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > [Good guess](https://www.libertarianinstitute.org/2017/02/extreme-vetting-homeland-security-theater-case-bowling-green-attack/): Interesting article, thanks. I was especially struck by this: > [@](#): > > Res ipsa loquitir: Alman and Hammadi were allowed to enter the U.S. for the precise purpose of being lured into an FBI false flag operation. That conclusion is suggested by the circumstantial evidence in this specific case, and justified by the fact that **every significant “terrorist plot” supposedly disrupted by the FBI since 9/11 has been a Federal Government production.** (My bolding) If true, something very much worth contemplating re: the current administration. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bowling-green-massacre/778895.md?page=3)