# The Boys S2 (Open Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, amazon-prime\ **Created:** [December 6, 2019, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446 "2019-12-06T01:10:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/141 "2020-10-09T15:14:41Z")
I’m trying to figure out why Neuman killed Raynor (in S2E1). ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/142 "2020-10-09T17:14:40Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Very satisfying Season Finale! They definitely nailed the landing for this season. > > > [@muldoonthief](#): > > > > I’m assuming they left Stormfront’s final status ambiguous to keep her available for the next season, if they find a reason to bring her back. > > Though it seemed like Lil Homelander’s attack addled her brain (hence her just saying something in German over and over). And it seemed like a lot of her powers came through her hands… which aren’t there anymore. > > I enjoyed how the politics of it all screwed over The Deep. To be fair, Stormlander’s Naziism got A-Train kicked off, so to cover the PR, they should hire him back. > > I did not expect the Congresswoman to be a Supe. I wonder what her goal was. Popping the heads of all the people in the commission just made it more likely that Compound V would be distributed all over the place. Or was that her goal to disperse Vought’s power? Or has she secretly worked for Mr. Edgar all this time? I’m thinking she’s a Stan Edgar asset. You don’t get the Compound V treatment as an infant without him knowing about it. I’m mildly curious to know who David Miscavige’s Alistair Adana’s grandfather was. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/144 "2020-10-09T19:11:31Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I’m thinking she’s a Stan Edgar asset. You don’t get the Compound V treatment as an infant without him knowing about it. I think she has her own game. Remember she was the one trying to convince the government guy that Vought was behind the attack. Why would she do that is she was working for Vought? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/145 "2020-10-09T19:18:44Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > > I’m thinking she’s a Stan Edgar asset. You don’t get the Compound V treatment as an infant without him knowing about it. > > I think she has her own game. Remember she was the one trying to convince the government guy that Vought was behind the attack. Why wouId she do that is she was working for Vought? Perhaps because she KNEW there was no proof (or was pretty sure of her ability to keep it from seeing the light of day). Nevertheless, I do agree that there’s a non-zero possibility that she’s planning a takeover of her own. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/146 "2020-10-09T21:46:12Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Very satisfying Season Finale! They definitely nailed the landing for this season. > > > [@muldoonthief](#): > > > > I’m assuming they left Stormfront’s final status ambiguous to keep her available for the next season, if they find a reason to bring her back. > > Though it seemed like Lil Homelander’s attack addled her brain (hence her just saying something in German over and over). And it seemed like a lot of her powers came through her hands… which aren’t there anymore. > > I enjoyed how the politics of it all screwed over The Deep. To be fair, Stormlander’s Naziism got A-Train kicked off, so to cover the PR, they should hire him back. > > I did not expect the Congresswoman to be a Supe. I wonder what her goal was. Popping the heads of all the people in the commission just made it more likely that Compound V would be distributed all over the place. Or was that her goal to disperse Vought’s power? Or has she secretly worked for Mr. Edgar all this time? I assume she’s a Vought mole. Being in control of their own opposition is pretty handy. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/147 "2020-10-10T02:13:12Z")
BTW, am I the only one who thinks that some product placement whiz kid just lost his firm the Fresca account? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/148 "2020-10-10T03:44:48Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I did not expect the Congresswoman to be a Supe. I wonder what her goal was. And I wonder if Alastair Adana, the Church of the Collective guy, meant something very specific with his “You’re one of the good ones.” line he popped off before he popped off. Assuming there’s a season three I’d WAG that Deep gets some information from the archives on her … Disappointed that the prediction made here that Starlight’s strength coming from channelling electrical power would make her extra potent against Stormfront did not play out in the show. It made sense. > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > BTW, am I the only one who thinks that some product placement whiz kid just lost his firm the Fresca account? Before this show what was even the product recognition for Fresca? Now people are saying its name. I will not be surprised if sales of Fresca this quarter are up significantly. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/149 "2020-10-10T04:06:32Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > > [@ISiddiqui](#): > > > > I did not expect the Congresswoman to be a Supe. I wonder what her goal was. > > And I wonder if Alastair Adana, the Church of the Collective guy, meant something very specific with his “You’re one of the good ones.” line he popped off before he popped off. > > Assuming there’s a season three I’d WAG that Deep gets some information from the archives on her … Amazon already announced that they’ve ordered S3. Did anyone else think Stormfront’s hairstyle made her look a little bit like Anne Frank? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/150 "2020-10-10T04:16:08Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I assume she’s a Vought mole. Being in control of their own opposition is pretty handy. I will be pretty irritated if this is the case, because it just doesn’t make sense. Vought was in a much stronger position without AFauxC’s muckraking. But it’s entirely possible you’re right, as many screenwriters love to insert twists to throw the audience for a loop, even if they don’t make a lick of sense within the universe of the show/movie. I’d like to think this show is too well-written to fall into that trap, but two of my all-time favorite shows (_The Americans_ and _Breaking Bad_) each had one nonsensical plot twist of this kind, so IDK. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/151 "2020-10-10T04:19:34Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Amazon already announced that they’ve ordered S3. Good to hear! Also of note I think. Homelander barely singed Stormfornt when he lasered her chest. She’s set up to be about as invulnerable as Homelander is. Ryan torched her. Does Daddy yet realize that his son may, with powers mastered, be strong enough to take him down? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/152 "2020-10-10T04:28:00Z")
Yeah, I was wondering about that too. I hope it’s not just a plot convenience thing. One ambiguous element is that we don’t know if Homelander hit her with a full, max intensity rage-blast. Either way, I do side-eye Becca being able to gouge out Stormfront’s eye. She may not have an eyeball as strong as Superman’s (in the underrated _Superman Returns_, a crook shot him point blank in the eye, and the bullet crumpled against his eyeball without even making him blink!), but I’d think it’d be stronger than that. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/153 "2020-10-10T10:18:06Z")
Well, I really liked this series for the performances, the humour, the themes, the characterisation\*, the style, all of it. So what follows is a minor niggle, but holy fuck it pissed me off. The scene where the women were beating the shit out of Stormfront was good; good I itself and obviously there was a nice little call back. And then Frenchie says, breathlessly, “I guess girls do get it done” and the whole scene paused and cut to the writer looking straight into the camera saying, “Hi, audience. I think you’re a bunch of fucking morons. Thicker than two short pigshit planks. I mean, you don’t really expect me to expect you to remember a plot point from a whole 5 episodes ago and make the direct and obvious connection to what’s on screen without us interrupting the scene to spell it out to you word for word, do you? Fuck me no, you muppets. OK, back to the scene _which is an ironic inversion of the corporate faux-feminism Vought cynically marketed earlier in this show, you dumb fucks_.” It just felt a little like they lacked faith in their audience, you know? \*I mean, Mother’s Milk was underserved, but everyone else got to do some interesting stuff, I felt ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/154 "2020-10-10T12:03:51Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > BTW, am I the only one who thinks that some product placement whiz kid just lost his firm the Fresca account? In a case like that it likely wasn’t product placement. You don’t need permission to use branded products. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/155 "2020-10-10T12:07:26Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Yeah, I was wondering about that too. I hope it’s not just a plot convenience thing. Butcher made the point to Edgar that Ryan is their only hope to control Homelander. So there must be some common belief that Ryan can match or surpass Homelander’s powers. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/156 "2020-10-10T13:34:16Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I will be pretty irritated if this is the case, because it just doesn’t make sense. Vought was in a much stronger position without AFauxC’s muckraking. But it’s entirely possible you’re right, as many screenwriters love to insert twists to throw the audience for a loop, even if they don’t make a lick of sense within the universe of the show/movie. I’d like to think this show is too well-written to fall into that trap, but two of my all-time favorite shows ( _The Americans_ and _Breaking Bad_ ) each had one nonsensical plot twist of this kind, so IDK. But there would be opposition to whatever Vought does no matter what, being in charge of that opposition is infinitely better than leaving it up to chance. It makes perfect sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/157 "2020-10-10T13:34:54Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Butcher made the point to Edgar that Ryan is their only hope to control Homelander. So there must be some common belief that Ryan can match or surpass Homelander’s powers. Well we already got proof of that. Homelander couldn’t hurt Stormfront with his eye laser. ---
**Author:** ![Cayuga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Cayuga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cayuga)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/158 "2020-10-10T14:31:14Z")
Homelander _didn’t_ hurt Stormfront with his eye laser. That doesn’t mean he couldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Cayuga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Cayuga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cayuga)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/159 "2020-10-10T14:33:42Z")
re: Butcher’s nationality Google up an interview with Urban speaking in his own (i.e., Australian) accent. It’s very different from the one he uses as Butcher. And to me — admittedly not an expert (or a Brit, or an Aussie) — Butcher sounds very Cockney. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/160 "2020-10-10T14:51:56Z")
Just a correction: Karl Urban is from New Zealand, not Australia. Here’s an interview with Karl Urban. His natural accent, as Cayuga says, is _very_ different than his accent as Butcher, and very New Zealander. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/-RtraQQEcME/maxresdefault.jpg "Karl Urban Interview for Amazon's The Boys") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RtraQQEcME) Here’s John Noble in an interview. He sounds very Australian and not at all like he does as Butcher’s father. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/f_uvqu0h3k4/maxresdefault.jpg "Interview John Noble | VIECC 2018") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_uvqu0h3k4) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446/161 "2020-10-10T15:00:17Z")
Here’s some Butcher clips strung together. I’m not a native of either England or Australia, but he sounds Cockney to me, even if it’s not the best Cockney accent I’ve heard. But at the very least, sounds English rather than Australian. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/yQLME76BIdw/maxresdefault.jpg "Billy Butcher's Most Diabolical Moments | The Boys | Prime Video") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQLME76BIdw) Here’s Butcher’s dad in the show, to contrast with the above clips. His Cockney sounds even better to me than Urban’s, but, again, I’m not a native. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFw20hhv2CU) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-boys-s2-open-spoilers/844446.md?page=9)