# The Bricker Challenge #3 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 30, 2000, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316 "2000-01-30T04:35:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/21 "2000-01-31T00:40:00Z")
Bricker, I’ve been trying to figure out which of my answers were wrong. The only thing that I’m not sure of now is whether there were any 18-and 19-year-olds voting in the 1968 presidential election. I know that the constitutional amendment requiring all the states to lower the age limit to 18 was passed in 1971, but didn’t some states allow 18-year-olds to vote even before that? According to the following web site [http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/voting/history/vot09.txt](http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/voting/history/vot09.txt) about 145,000 people under 21 voted in the 1968 election. Are you sure you’ve got the question right? ---
**Author:** ![Falcon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/49beb7/32.png) [@Falcon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Falcon)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/22 "2000-01-31T00:55:00Z")
And never mind, Bricker…I think I _just_ figured out which one we got wrong, due to a damn C&P error. Are we allowed to resubmit answers? * * * “You are sweet, kind, and considerate… Like a grown up boy scout with tits!” - Brian, aka SDMB’s one and only Satan. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/23 "2000-01-31T03:08:00Z")
Falcon: revising answers is absolutely permitted. Wendell: My recollection was that while those under 21 were permitted to vote in some state elections, they were not permitted to vote in federal elections. But – I could be wrong. In light of this ambiguity, I will accept either “0” - the answer I was looking for – or th results of any poll purporting to accurately answer the question of how many actually voted Democratic. In any event, that’s not the one you have wrong. - Rick ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/24 "2000-01-31T03:45:00Z")
Revised answer from Falc and myself: 22. “The Happy Hooker” by Xaviera Hollander ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/25 "2000-01-31T04:20:00Z")
Change my answer to question 22 to _The Happy Hooker_ by Xaviera Hollander. If this misspelling was the problem, I must say that you’re being hypocritical. You didn’t spell Rubens’s name right either. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/26 "2000-01-31T04:29:00Z")
Neither mispelling changes scores. The key here is to pick up on the concept, and unless spelling itself is a part of the question, I won’t count spelling as a reason for a wrong answer. Neither score changes. Both of you have 49, and interestingly enough, both have missed a different question. - Rick ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/27 "2000-01-31T04:59:00Z")
Okay, then, we’ll make another change: 1. Joule. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/28 "2000-01-31T05:07:00Z")
Bricker, That’s ridiculous. The only significant different between our answers is that mine is “joule” and theirs is “JEWEL: Just a nEW Evaluation tooL”. I think mine is right, but, still, that’s the only answer that substantially differs between MaxTorque and Falcon’s answers and mine. It can’t be true that I missed one and they missed another. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/29 "2000-01-31T05:12:00Z")
Note that I didn’t see MaxTorque’s post of 10:59 before I made my post of 11:07. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/30 "2000-01-31T05:35:00Z")
Wendell, There’s another difference, and to my way of thinking it’s quite substantial. Your answer for #20 says, “The dark side of the moon always faces away from the earth.” That’s not so. The _far_ side of the moon always faces away from the earth. On the other hand, they said, “The so-called ‘dark side of the moon’ isn’t visible from earth.” I grant you this seems similar, but there are two subtle differences. First, the use of “so-called” indicates an awareness that there is no such thing as a permanant dark side. Secondly, they say it isn’t visible, not that it always faces away. This is a much more accurate assessment of the situation. When the moon is new, the dark side faces the earth, but isn’t visible. Max & Falcon, As you have figured out, I was looking for “joule,” a unit of work. I wasn’t even aware there was a software tool called “JEWEL,” when I posted the question. After you answered with that reference, I found its web page. It appears to be an analysis and management tool for network traffic, with specific use in video packets. While that’s good to know, it doesn’t really measure ‘work’, as the original question called for. That said, since you’ve revised that answer, I now declare this contest closed with the team of Falcon and MaxTorque the winners, having posted fifty correct answers. Congrats – let me know what you want for beer! - Rick ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/31 "2000-01-31T05:45:00Z")
WAHOO! Falcon would like you to know that she’s grateful she won something tonight (darn Titans). We’d like Dos Equis, bottles if possible. And, since I understand you’re local to Falc, we’d like to hold off collecting until around March 11, when I’ll be in Maryland visiting her. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/32 "2000-01-31T08:54:00Z")
I repeat, Bricker, that’s ridiculous. The term “the dark side of the moon” _means_ the far side of the moon. It’s a standard term. Look at the URL [http://science.peoriaud.k12.az.us/Imse2/SC\_CD/docs/starch00/solars01/darkside.htm](http://science.peoriaud.k12.az.us/Imse2/SC_CD/docs/starch00/solars01/darkside.htm) where it defines the term by the sentence “The phase ‘dark side of the Moon’ usually refers to the side of the Moon that we cannot see from Earth.” Look at the URL [http://www.angelfire.com/sys/popup\_source.shtml?Category=](http://www.angelfire.com/sys/popup_source.shtml?Category=) where it says that “dark side of the moon” is a common cliche. Look at the URL [http://medinfo.wustl.edu/~ysp/MSN/posts/archives/dec96/839618981.As.r.html](http://medinfo.wustl.edu/~ysp/MSN/posts/archives/dec96/839618981.As.r.html) where in answer to the question “Why is there a dark side of the moon?” it doesn’t even find it necessary to explain that the phrase “dark side of the moon” means the far side of the moon. Furthermore, there’s a standard use of the word “dark” in which it means “concealed, secret, or generally”. Look at meanings 7.a, 7.b, and 8 in the meanings of “dark” as an adjective in the OED. Not accepting my answer when you were willing to accept minor differences in spelling, etc. is blatantly unfair. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/33 "2000-01-31T09:41:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Wendell Wagner: > \*\*I repeat, Bricker, that’s ridiculous. The term “the dark side of the moon” _means_ the far side of the moon. It’s a standard term. Look at the URL > [http://science.peoriaud.k12.az.us/Imse2/SC\_CD/docs/starch00/solars01/darkside.htm](http://science.peoriaud.k12.az.us/Imse2/SC_CD/docs/starch00/solars01/darkside.htm) > > where it defines the term by the sentence “The phase ‘dark side of the Moon’ usually refers to the side of the Moon that we cannot see from Earth.” Look at the URL > [http://www.angelfire.com/sys/popup\_source.shtml?Category=](http://www.angelfire.com/sys/popup_source.shtml?Category=) > > where it says that “dark side of the moon” is a common cliche. Look at the URL > [http://medinfo.wustl.edu/~ysp/MSN/posts/archives/dec96/839618981.As.r.html](http://medinfo.wustl.edu/~ysp/MSN/posts/archives/dec96/839618981.As.r.html) > > where in answer to the question “Why is there a dark side of the moon?” it doesn’t even find it necessary to explain that the phrase “dark side of the moon” means the far side of the moon. Furthermore, there’s a standard use of the word “dark” in which it means “concealed, secret, or generally”. Look at meanings 7.a, 7.b, and 8 in the meanings of “dark” as an adjective in the OED. Not accepting my answer when you were willing to accept minor differences in spelling, etc. is blatantly unfair.\*\* I’m sorry you feel that way, but I’m standing by my guns here. The first URL you provide does indeed support your claim that “dark side” and “far side” are synonomous. However, this page appears to have been created by a pair of middle school teachers from Evans, Georgia. I can’t seem to read your second URL; I get a blank screen. But you represent that as saying that “dark side of the moon” is a common cliche. I _know_ it’s a common cliche; the gravamen of the trivia question is, “What does it _mean_?” Your third URL again doesn’t make the distinction between “dark” and “far”, answering the question about “dark” by explaining “far,” without acknowledging they may be different. In contrast, observe [http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask\_astro/answers/980309b.html](http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/980309b.html) directly from NASA, which nattily explains that “dark side” is a misnomer. Moreover, the **first** meaning of “dark,” at least in the on-line Merriam-Webster, is “devoid or partially devoid of light : not receiving, reflecting, transmitting, or radiating light.” Since my question itself starts out with the proposition that something is wrong with the phrase or concept of seeing the “dark side of the moon,” it’s not unfair to expect a complete explanation, for safety’s sake if nothing else. Knowing there is no permanant unlit side of the moon, and harkening back to the examples of answered questions I gave in explaining the game, it seems a prudent approach would be to mention that fact. - Rick ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/34 "2000-01-31T09:53:00Z")
I see no mention in your question of the "the proposition that something is wrong with the phrase or concept of seeing the “dark side of the moon.” Do you really think that I was so stupid that I don’t know that the dark side of the moon isn’t dark in the most common sense of the word. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/35 "2000-01-31T10:12:00Z")
Wendell, I don’t think you’re stupid at all - to the contrary, you’re obviously very bright. But when I say, “You might need to drop acid to really see Pink Floyd’s Dark Side of the Moon. Why?” I think you’ll agree it implies that there’s something amiss, since the predicate is that in order to see it, you might have to drop acid - i.e., to induce a hallucination. Look, I know the questions are not rigorously formed. If I could line people up in isolation booths with buzzers, I wouldn’t have to do it this way. But (a) phrasing them this way cuts down on the poster who knows nothing but how to bring up [yahoo.com](http://yahoo.com), and (b) sometimes, it’s kinda fun (see the cereal killer). But there’s a downside, which we’re now experiencing. And it comes when someone believes - with understandable reasoning - that his answer was correct, when it wasn’t what I was looking for. I have tried to be fairly lenient, giving credit for answers I didn’t think of _when they make sense in the context of the original question_. But your answer comes down to, “the dark side of the moon always faces away from the earth.” I’m sorry, but in the context of answering a trivia question, I think it deserves at least a mention that there is an unchanging far side, which is alternately lit and unlit. - Rick ---
**Author:** ![TaleraRis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@TaleraRis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TaleraRis)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/36 "2000-01-31T10:12:00Z")
1. I’ve only ever heard of attacking a lot of countries in Risk. 2. No idea 3. You refuse of course. Don Giovanni did and look what happened to him. 4. If I’m not mistaken, that’s where the sailors stayed in Mutiny on the Bounty. 5. Got me there 6. I’ll hazard a guess - in the middle. 7. Another got me 8. Oooo…you would have to ask something I know but can’t remember 😃 9. Eh, math, icky. 10. Jocasta I know - Oedipus’s mother and later his wife…Laius I believe is from the same play. 11. Joules measure work, silly 😃 12. I have no idea. 13. Asimov - No robot shall harm a human, no robot shall do something that will harm a human and all robots will obey humans. Or something like that 🙂 14. LaBomba, maybe? I’m guessing here. 15. No idea 16. Nope, dunno 😃 17. Finally one I know! Hubby is Charles Bovary and the novel is Madame Bovary. The wife is Emma. 18. Another dunno. 19. Charges 20. Don’t listen to em, so I dunno. 21. Not one I know 22. The Happy Hooker? I dunno 😃 23. Bovine and I can’t for the life of me remember the other. 24. Nawleans…I think. The French Quarter if I remember right. 25. A miner 49er and his daughter Clementine. 26. Easy for us chem people - Goldwater. 27. Argh…they were arrested during the Red Scare…but I can’t remember their names. One begins with an S. It’ll come to me _after_ this challenge, you watch. 28. Charlie from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, of course. 29. Ugh, more math. 30. Eh? 31. I know these are British Prime Ministers but I have _no_ idea who’s next. Churchill for all I know 😃 32. No idea - journalism. 33. 7 34. The '49 gold rush 35. Lizzie Borden 36. Aretha Franklin 37. Got me again 38. And again 39. He was a leper? 🙂 40. She would never be found drinking - she was against alcohol entirely. 41. Adam Smith 42. Medicinal? I dunno. 43. No idea 44. Nope 45. 3 46. 34 is next and I only did these on IQ tests and ISTEP, I dunno the name 47. Universal donor - O Universal recipient - AB At least I think - been a while since bio 48. Eh? 49. Icky, math. 50. Whoohoo! Science! Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species…or King Phillip Came Over From Germany Stoned 😃 Tie-breaker: Gold, of course - 6 if I count right * * * When are you going to realize being normal isn’t necessarily a good thing? ---
**Author:** ![TaleraRis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@TaleraRis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TaleraRis)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/37 "2000-01-31T10:17:00Z")
Ack…scratch that bovine…I just remembered that’s a cow…ursine comes to mind as one. * * * When are you going to realize being normal isn’t necessarily a good thing? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/38 "2000-01-31T16:21:00Z")
Damn. I suppose I should do one of these, if only to increase my self-loathing. 1. 2. Mannix 3. Don Giovanni 4. Mutiny on the Bounty 5. Christie 6. Moscow 7. 8. Irish Spring 9. Four grams. Is this a trick question? 10. Oedipus’ folks. 11. 12. Whoever took a shot at Karol 13. Asimov. 1) No hurt humans. 2) Obey humans. 3) Protect self. 14. Dick Clark & AMERICAN BANDSTAND 15. ## 16 Anything Goes 17. Charles Bovary 18. Abstract Expressionist painter 19. 20. Ummmm…it’s a rock album, possibly influenced by drugs? 21. “Nothing Gold can Stay” by Robt Frost 22. Hollander; THE HAPPY HOOKER 23. Porcine and ursine 24. French Quarter, New Orleans 25. A miner and his daughter Clementine 26. Barry Goldwater in 1964 27. Sacco & Vanzetti 28. Charlie Bucket, in Dahl’s CHARLIE & THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY 29. Many, many different ways. 30. 31. 32. 33. 34. California gold rush 35. Lizzie Borden 36. Aretha Franklin 37. a cereal killer 38. 39. Paul Rubens, convicted masturbator. 40. She was an anti-saloon crusader. 41. Adam Smith 42. Margaret Mead 43. the Stonewall riot, NYC 1969, was the beginning of the Gay Liberation movement. 44. 45. Three 46. 47. Donor is O, recipient I don’t know 48. neat (without ice) 49. 75%? 50. Family, genus, species. Uke ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/39 "2000-01-31T16:24:00Z")
Uke, to help increase your self-loathing, let me point out to you that Bricker has already declared the contest closed. Damn! Miss the board for one day, and you’re out of the running. Arnold, smug winner of Bricker challenge #2 (by stealing other poster’s answers) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2000, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316/40 "2000-01-31T17:08:00Z")
TaleraRis, alas, someone posted fifty correct answers and won. However, I would invite you to reconsider your plan on the repenting business. I hope you mean you **wouldn’t** refuse to stop your despoiling ways. Don Giovanni did refuse to change, even as the statue of the Commandatorante drags him off to Hell. If a statue shows up at your next dinner party, you promise to change, OK? - Rick 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bricker-challenge-3/13316.md?page=3)