# The (British) Daily Mail is rather Right Wing **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 27, 2016, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891 "2016-10-27T23:08:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_great_unwashed/32/4791_2.png) [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/1 "2016-10-27T23:08:05Z")
I was speaking to a friend and I asserted that the Daily Mail had taken some rather extreme (right wing) stances on one subject or another. He disagreed. Can you suggest examples (preferably with links) of supporting or denying evidence? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/2 "2016-10-28T01:31:09Z")
Conservapedia (I know… ) did brand it as “the second biggest selling British tabloid newspaper. It supports the Conservative Party. It is right-wing in its editorial stances”. No cite for that as they do not deserve it. Rationalwiki has a biased view against it, but they have the cites to show how right wing and how wrong they can get: > **[Daily Mail](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Daily_Mail)** > > The Daily Mail (a.k.a. Hate Mail, Daily Fail, Daily Heil, Daily Moan, Crazy Mail, and so on) is a reactionary right-wing tabloid rag masquerading as a "traditional values" middle-class newspaper that is, in many ways, the second-worst of the British... One notorious subject that right wingers usually swallow from mis-informers like it: gross climate change denial, and the Daily Fail has pinned the radar of science writer Peter Hadfield more than once: [QUOTE] No, sadly the Mail on Sunday has got it wrong... yet again. Here's what's behind the sensational news that global warming ended in 1997, and how it comes from misreporting, misquotes and omissions. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] Climategate mark 2 -- the quotes and the context And the Daily Mail still believing ‘hide the decline’ refers to global temperatures [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/3 "2016-10-28T01:39:07Z")
The _Daily Mail_? That’s just read by the wives of the people who run the country. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/4 "2016-10-28T02:54:59Z")
> [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](#): > > I was speaking to a friend and I asserted that the Daily Mail had taken some rather extreme (right wing) stances on one subject or another. He disagreed. > > Can you suggest examples (preferably with links) of supporting or denying evidence? I don’t understand. You made an assertion and you want US to support it or disprove it? Do I have that right? ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/5 "2016-10-28T03:06:01Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > The _Daily Mail_? That’s just read by the wives of the people who run the country. Sun readers don’t care who runs the country as long as she has big tits. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/6 "2016-10-28T03:21:08Z")
The Daily Mail has long been one of the main right-wing British newspapers, alongside the Daily Telegraph (upmarket) and the Sun (downmarket). The Mail speaks for and appeals to the right-wing middle-classes, anti-immigrant, anti-EU and anti-socialist. I must give it credit though for its genius in making its online edition one of the top news-sites on the web, especially for photographic coverage of world events. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/7 "2016-10-28T03:25:18Z")
Would it be piling on to ask, “Well, duh?” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/8 "2016-10-28T03:41:22Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > Sun readers don’t care who runs the country as long as she has big tits. Yes, prime minister!!! ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/9 "2016-10-28T04:34:38Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > . . . I must give it credit though for its genius in making its online edition one of the top news-sites on the web, especially for photographic coverage of world events **involving photogenic celebrities, or ex-celebrities, or people who might have become celebrities had history unfolded slightly differently, preferably in swimwear**. Fixed that for you. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/10 "2016-10-28T06:22:15Z")
I have it on good authority that their hard-hitting journalism tends to highlight the right breast more than the left. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/11 "2016-10-28T10:16:34Z")
> [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](#): > > I was speaking to a friend and I asserted that the Daily Mail had taken some rather extreme (right wing) stances on one subject or another. This is pretty much a commonplace in the UK. It supported [Mosely’s fascists](http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/daily-mail-olympic-plastic-brits.html) before the war. > [@](#): > > Pretty much everyone knows the reason that the Daily Mail is often referred to as the “Daily Heil” is that in the 1930s the Mail ran numerous articles praising Nazi Germany, the Hitler Youth, Mussolini’s Italy and the British Union of Fascists. This era of Fascist sympathising from the Mail produced one of the most notorious headlines in the history of British print media; “Hurrah for the blackshirts”, which was written by the proprietor Lord Rothmere, a personal friend of both Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/12 "2016-10-28T10:23:53Z")
> [@UDS](#): > > Fixed that for you. That is not “fixing.” That is changing a quotation in direct violation of the rules that prohibit altering text within quote boxes. This is a Warning to avoid such behavior in the future. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/13 "2016-10-28T10:31:43Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > The Daily Mail has long been one of the main right-wing British newspapers, alongside the Daily Telegraph (upmarket) and the Sun (downmarket). The Mail speaks for and appeals to the right-wing middle-classes, anti-immigrant, anti-EU and anti-socialist. I must give it credit though for its genius in making its online edition one of the top news-sites on the web, especially for photographic coverage of world events. I agree. It’s online edition can be rather good. It does have it’s fair share of cliickbait, but it does also have some rather informative in-depth articles. As an example of it’s clickbait the online DM was the go to source for _look what dumb thing Sarah Palin has said now_ clickbait headlines from 2008 onwards. The online DM contains simultaneously both the best and worst of online news. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/14 "2016-10-28T10:40:50Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > This is pretty much a commonplace in the UK. It supported [Mosely’s fascists](http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/daily-mail-olympic-plastic-brits.html) before the war. And the BBC during this period was not much better. The BBC was an anti-Churchill organ during the 1930’s which backed appeasement. Not that this should inform our opinion on today’s BBC but worth mentioning if we are throwing mud at media organisations for their stance in the 1930’s. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/15 "2016-10-28T12:19:00Z")
My experience has been that the Daily Mail is not right. Or at least, only rarely so. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/16 "2016-10-28T15:01:36Z")
Is there a difference between the DM’s website (which I understand has quite an international following) and the print edition? In the UK, the latter is stereotypically seen (by sanctimonious lefties like me) as notorious for typically tabloid slanted and hysterical headlines on anything to do with immigration, gypsies, crime, drugs, anti-social behaviour of all sorts - and, given the DM’s audience, which is a bit more upmarket than the likes of the Express or Sun, their effect on house prices. Just do a Google image search for “Daily Mail headlines”, and you get the flavour of both their real headlines and some people’s spoof ones (which will still tell you a lot about the DM’s reputation). You’ll also find Guardianista feminists pointing to its somewhat hypocritical habit of commenting on the implied sexual attractiveness of almost any female in the public eye (whatever the age), despite ostensibly clinging to conventional conservative moralities. But to their credit, they did make a great splash of forcing the issue on a racist murder that had become a _cause célêbre_ on account of the shoddy initial police investigation (possibly also tainted by individual officers’ corruption), by openly and flatly accusing named people of murder (which would normally be considered an outrageous attempt at prejuding any future trial) - where some other tabloids would have closed ranks behind the police, come what may. ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/17 "2016-10-28T22:11:01Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > > [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > > > The Daily Mail? That’s just read by the wives of the people who run the country. > > Sun readers don’t care who runs the country as long as she has big tits. I love you both. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/18 "2016-10-29T07:42:42Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > The _Daily Mail_? That’s just read by the wives of the people who run the country. The late lamented Victoria Wood’s “Reincarnation” song skewered the (assumed) stereotypical Mail reader: \*I want to be Mrs Pugh And live in an Avenue. I want to have bing bong chimes And a bathroom with a champagne suite. In my candlewick dressing gown I want to put Harpic down. If my ironing smells quite fresh, Then my happiness will be complete. I’ll wear an apron when I chop my veggies, Have tiny cactus on my window ledges, Have a roller blind with scalloped edges. I will never use a wok, so I prefer to stick to Mrs Beeton, Have a hob which I then re-heat on, Use my toaster with the ears of wheat on. I will do a lot with Oxo. \* Hyacinth Bucket might read the DM in private (but would insist on having the Times delivered, for the neighbours to see). If you ever watched _Last Tango in Halifax_, one of the early stumbles in Alan’s revived relationship with Celia was that she asked him to get the DM for her (and him a Guardian reader). ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/19 "2016-10-29T17:34:54Z")
My brother asks for it in the store as the ‘Daily Fascist’, and he gets a copy too (his wife reads it; they disagree on politics) ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891/20 "2016-10-29T17:44:32Z")
It’s more generally known as the Daily Fail > [@PatrickLondon](#): > > But to their credit, they did make a great splash of forcing the issue on a racist murder that had become a _cause célêbre_ on account of the shoddy initial police investigation (possibly also tainted by individual officers’ corruption), by openly and flatly accusing named people of murder (which would normally be considered an outrageous attempt at prejuding any future trial) - where some other tabloids would have closed ranks behind the police, come what may. No credit due; by sheer coincidence, Paul Dacre knew Neville Lawrence - Lawrence was a painter and decorator working on Dacre’s home, and had even met Stephen. Through that realisation came the support. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-british-daily-mail-is-rather-right-wing/769891.md?page=2)