# The Buck Stops Here - Trump's health care failure **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 25, 2017, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978 "2017-03-25T02:13:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/21 "2017-03-25T16:23:13Z")
“I Love Trucks”. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/22 "2017-03-25T16:24:38Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > If Truman had the sign on his desk that said ‘The Buck Stops Here’, what does the sign on Trumps desk say? #19, Karnak. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/23 "2017-03-25T17:04:54Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > “I Love Trucks”. You owe me one keyboard. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/24 "2017-03-25T17:27:12Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > “I Love Trucks”. Massive, genuine LOL! Nice one!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/25 "2017-03-25T17:43:20Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > What’s scary is that most of the 30 to 40% of the US that supports 45 likely believe him when he blames Democrats for the failure of Ryan’s take-healthcare-away-from-the-poors bill. Coincidentally, a recent poll (linked in two other threads) shows support for the bill is 30%. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/26 "2017-03-25T18:12:27Z")
No, it’s not Trump’s fault. He has only been President 2 months. In contrast the Republicans have been in control of the House for 6 years. They had 6 years to write and develop a consensus replacement plan. In January of last year the House and Senate passed an Obamacare repeal bill and sent it to the President. This should have been a repeal and replacement bill–a bill which other than changing a few dates (because it is another year later) should have been easily passed and ready for Trump’s signature. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/27 "2017-03-25T18:51:57Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Democrats have been working hard to get it defeated. Shouldn’t they get some credit? Har. No Democrat was ever going to vote for that. But they are a minority. It was the Republicans that (almost) all claimed they hated Obamacare and would vote it out at the first chance they got. Since they _couldn’t even_ muster up enough votes amongst themselves to actually vote out the thing they’ve been screaming for years was destroying the country, then yeah, the “blame” goes squarely on the GOP. But I doubt most 45 fans think that deeply about it. At most they think 45 “exaggerates,” but they seem to take everything he says at face value even if it makes no sense at all. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I’m just guessing, here, but – won’t he just say that the vast majority of Republicans were in favor of this valuable reform, but the Democrats were uniformly in lock-step against it, and so there’s nothing the forces of goodness and light can do against the obstructionists to Make America Great Again – y’know, until and unless the electorate votes out those enemies of liberty and prosperity and so on and so forth? > > (_‘And, you know, it’s a lot like how I keep trying to ban Muslims from this country like any sensible person would – and how the so-called judges keep blocking my efforts to keep Americans safe. Remember that? So, yeah: I’m going to need you to go to the polls and vote for like-minded people to get rid of all this America-hating opposition.’_ Maybe not exactly that, but something _like_ that, is my point.) ^This. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/28 "2017-03-25T20:39:36Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I’m just guessing, here, but – won’t he just say that the vast majority of Republicans were in favor of this valuable reform, but the Democrats were uniformly in lock-step against it, and so there’s nothing the forces of goodness and light can do against the obstructionists to Make America Great Again – y’know, until and unless the electorate votes out those enemies of liberty and prosperity and so on and so forth? You’re just missing the final step which is that he does everything in his power to wreck to healthcare system while he’s in power, so he claim that he was prescient about Obamacare’s collapse. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/29 "2017-03-25T21:10:25Z")
Supposedly [Bannon told the Freedom Caucus. “This is not a debate. You have to back bill”](http://thehill.com/homenews/325767-report-bannon-told-conservatives-this-is-not-a-debate-you-have-to-vote-for-bill%22') If this is true–and I believe it is–then I feel a bit relieved. Bannon is evil, but he’s clearly incompetent. I wonder where Rience was in all of this. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/30 "2017-03-25T21:17:22Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Supposedly [Bannon told the Freedom Caucus. “This is not a debate. You have to back bill”](http://thehill.com/homenews/325767-report-bannon-told-conservatives-this-is-not-a-debate-you-have-to-vote-for-bill) > > If this is true–and I believe it is–then I feel a bit relieved. Bannon is evil, but he’s clearly incompetent. I wonder where Rience was in all of this. Removed stray quote to fix link ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/31 "2017-03-25T22:26:06Z")
“We have a President who can’t close a deal! Sad!” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2017, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/32 "2017-03-25T22:31:21Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > “I Love Trucks”. You thought that was a joke, right? [Trump responds to health care setback by sitting in big truck, honking horn.](http://www.avclub.com/article/trump-responds-health-care-setback-sitting-big-tru-252627) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/33 "2017-03-26T00:35:36Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > No, it’s not Trump’s fault. He has only been President 2 months. In contrast the Republicans have been in control of the House for 6 years. They had 6 years to write and develop a consensus replacement plan. . To be fair, they were pretty sure a Democrat was going to be elected POTUS. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/34 "2017-03-26T00:36:51Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You thought that was a joke, right? > > [Trump responds to health care setback by sitting in big truck, honking horn.](http://www.avclub.com/article/trump-responds-health-care-setback-sitting-big-tru-252627) I’m pretty sure that’s what he was referencing. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/35 "2017-03-26T02:46:54Z")
> [@White SIFL](#): > > If you fuck up it’s your fault not the democrat’s. > > Grow up. Be presidential, stop blaming others. Fuck you, Mr. President. > > . I can’t believe what a pussy he is. So weak. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/36 "2017-03-26T02:58:37Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Supposedly [Bannon told the Freedom Caucus. “This is not a debate. You have to back bill”](http://thehill.com/homenews/325767-report-bannon-told-conservatives-this-is-not-a-debate-you-have-to-vote-for-bill%22') > > If this is true–and I believe it is–then I feel a bit relieved. Bannon is evil, but he’s clearly incompetent. I wonder where Rience was in all of this. Curled up with a bottle of scotch. Priebus has been working with these people for years now. He knows what they’re like. Slightly more seriously though - it seems that someone who truly was a great negotiator might have been able to push through something, somewhere. Perhaps telling the Freedom Caucus to stuff it, tacking left, and putting up something that moderate Democrats couldn’t say “no” to. Perhaps offering the FC something that makes it worth holding their nose & voting “yes” on this. But it seems that the extent of his negotiating prowess was to call them into a room at the last second, whine, and give a completely ineffectual order. The “art” of the deal is a finger painting. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/37 "2017-03-26T03:50:41Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > No, it’s not Trump’s fault. He has only been President 2 months. In contrast the Republicans have been in control of the House for 6 years. They had 6 years to write and develop a consensus replacement plan. In January of last year the House and Senate passed an Obamacare repeal bill and sent it to the President. This should have been a repeal and replacement bill–a bill which other than changing a few dates (because it is another year later) should have been easily passed and ready for Trump’s signature. Yes, it is Trump’s fault. If his House Republicans had not developed a passable bill he shouldn’t have backed it. As noted above, my OP referenced Truman. The buck should stop there. He’s the fucking president. What he is not (though apparently thinks he is) is king. Stuff won’t happen just because he wants it to. That’s ok though, I don’t mind him taking a run at something stupid and having it shot down by cooler heads. But for fuck’s sake when he does and falls on his face be a god damned man about. Don’t be a pussy, don’t blame others. Harden up, bro. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/38 "2017-03-26T04:28:49Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I’m pretty sure that’s what he was referencing. You can be 100% sure, yes. ---
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/39 "2017-03-26T04:33:42Z")
I think the whole thing is hilarious. Your party owns the White House, the Senate and HOR yet you cant even overturn Obamacare. Maybe these next 2 years wont be so bad after all! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2017, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978/40 "2017-03-26T04:39:08Z")
> [@Il Douche](#): > > [We will immediately repeal and replace ObamaCare - and nobody can do that like me.](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/697182075045179392) You have to admit he was right about that one thing all along though. Nobody can repeal and replace Obamacare like him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-buck-stops-here-trumps-health-care-failure/782978.md?page=1)