# The Bullshit term "job creators" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 19, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788 "2011-09-19T03:50:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/1 "2011-09-19T03:50:01Z")
Yeah, that’s right. I said Bullshit, with a capital “B.” I’ve noticed that Eric Cantor and Rick Perry, as well as a number of other right wing politicians, are especially fond of using this term, which should tell you just how insidious it is. If you want to make an argument about why the rich shouldn’t have to pay more taxes, fine. But don’t insult my intelligence by using the term “job creators.” It just reeks of the propaganda that it’s meant to be. What I’m hearing when a right wing politician uses that phrase is someone who’s too cowardly to tell their base that they’re standing up for the rich. It’s really little more than just another form of the type of bullshit PC word games that conservatives so detest when liberals play them. Plus, as one poster mentioned in another thread that touched on this topic, we the people create jobs when we spend money. Yeah, that’s right, without us little people buying shit there would be no jobs. The right wing seems to imply that the rich have this magical and exclusive power to create jobs, but that if you raise their taxes by a few percentage points or tack a few regulations on corporate America, that magical power will somehow dissipate. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/2 "2011-09-19T03:57:38Z")
Here is the post by\*\* Skammer\*\* from the Elections thread about the Republican use of the term “Class Warfare,” that summed up my feelings perfectly. > [@](#): > > This is the doublespeak that burns me. “Job Creators” . You know who the job creators are? Consumers. Not business owners. Business owners aren’t motivated by creating jobs, they only create jobs when consumers create a need. > > If I open a restaurant, I’m not creating any jobs unless I have people come eat there. They create the need for waitstaff, cooks, dishwashers, food distributors, farmers, ranchers, etc. Want to create jobs? Don’t cut taxes for the wealthiest 2%. Raise taxes for them. If they want to make money they have to “create jobs” anyway! Put money in the hands of the middle class and below, who have to spend their money on actually creating jobs. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/3 "2011-09-19T04:04:30Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > I’ve noticed that Eric Cantor and Rick Perry, as well as a number of other right wing politicians, are especially fond of using this term, which should tell you just how insidious it is. It is a cornerstone of current Republican thought that millionaire business owners are noble public servants who need all the breaks and encouragement they can get, while public employees like schoolteachers making $50,000 per year are leeches that drag down society. ---
**Author:** ![Sudden\_Kestrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecd19e/32.png) [@Sudden\_Kestrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sudden_Kestrel)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/4 "2011-09-19T05:13:35Z")
They do it to differentiate themselves from the Job Performers, who are just, you know–icky. I propose a National Day of the Consumer where we all refuse to buy anything or do anything that costs money, just to remind the bastards where all their profits come from. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/5 "2011-09-19T09:56:23Z")
Thay had the choice between “exploiters” and “job creators”, for some reason they prefered the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/6 "2011-09-19T10:06:39Z")
Your just not thinking in a “Conservatively Correct” fashion. The job creators or if you want to use the Limbaugh term, “people who make the country work” are creating lots of jobs, in Mexico, China, India. Get with the program!! ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/7 "2011-09-19T10:39:27Z")
The job creators need to get off their ganja smoking asses and create some motherfucking jobs. Unemployed people and those of us who are watching our pennies are not out BUYING new tvs, computers guitars and other toys. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/8 "2011-09-19T11:40:59Z")
You class-warfare nuts are having fun, but I think we need some balance in this thread. (Marxist sentiments are so strong in America, it’s easy to forget that Ronald Regan disproved Communism.) The underclass doesn’t help America’s economy: they buy Chinese clothing, Japanese porn, and Mexican food. If you increase their wages, many will just celebrate by shooting heroin into their veins – and that money goes straight to America’s enemies in Afghanistan. Your $50,000 intellectual teachers are no better: they drive imported cars, watch foreign movies and drink French wine. What this country needs is to stop confiscating the hard-earned wealth of our best citizens, and stop coddling the underachievers. We made great progress toward this goal for eight years but, with deadbeats allowed to vote, it’s 3 steps forward, 2 steps back here. Now we have Obama threatening to make Warren Buffett pay as much taxes as his secretary. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/9 "2011-09-19T11:45:35Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > You class-warfare nuts are having fun, but I think we need some balance in this thread. (Marxist sentiments are so strong in America, it’s easy to forget that Ronald Regan disproved Communism.) > > The underclass doesn’t help America’s economy: they buy Chinese clothing, Japanese porn, and Mexican food. If you increase their wages, many will just celebrate by shooting heroin into their veins – and that money goes straight to America’s enemies in Afghanistan. Your $50,000 intellectual teachers are no better: they drive imported cars, watch foreign movies and drink French wine. > > What this country needs is to stop confiscating the hard-earned wealth of our best citizens, and stop coddling the underachievers. We made great progress toward this goal for eight years but, with deadbeats allowed to vote, it’s 3 steps forward, 2 steps back here. Now we have Obama threatening to make Warren Buffett pay as much taxes as his secretary. :smack: I’m having a Poe’s Law moment here. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/10 "2011-09-19T12:17:47Z")
God bless those Prada wearing, Audi driving job creators. sniff. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/11 "2011-09-19T12:21:43Z")
Calling the term “job creators” bullshit is _class warfare_. Any questioning of this assertion is also class warfare. ---
**Author:** ![FairyChatMom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fairychatmom/32/21906_2.png) [@FairyChatMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyChatMom)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/12 "2011-09-19T12:43:05Z")
Just out of curiosity, how many American jobs have these job creators created? I’ve yet to hear one of them cite any numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/13 "2011-09-19T12:55:03Z")
They create many, many jobs; especially for staffers on the campaigns to which they contribute. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/14 "2011-09-19T13:01:17Z")
Some rich people do create a lot of jobs. Some don’t create any jobs- Alex Rodriguez and Paris Hilton for example. If you want to create a tax break for people who create jobs when they actually create them, I’m all for it. If you want to lower taxes on all rich people in the blind faith that some of them might be slightly more inclined to invest money in job-creating endeavors, you’re a fool. Show us the jobs and we’ll show you the tax break. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/15 "2011-09-19T13:13:40Z")
> [@FairyChatMom](#): > > Just out of curiosity, how many American jobs have these job creators created? I’ve yet to hear one of them cite any numbers. More than you! Shut up, pobe! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/16 "2011-09-19T13:36:20Z")
> [@Icerigger](#): > > Your just not thinking in a “Conservatively Correct” fashion. The job creators or if you want to use the Limbaugh term, “people who make the country work” are creating lots of jobs, in Mexico, China, India. Get with the program!! That’s sort of my thought on this whole thing - what’s to make those created jobs exist here? ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/17 "2011-09-19T13:45:01Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m having a Poe’s Law moment here. That goes for both of us. My jaw literally dropped as I was reading the post… but then I got to the last sentence and said, “Ok now this HAS to be sarcasm…” Have we determined whether or not it was genuine? Also, Jon Stewart made fun of the Job Creators thing a while back… where the word “rich” can never be used anymore… Richie Rich became Job-Creatory Job-Creator! Too good. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/18 "2011-09-19T13:46:35Z")
> [@FairyChatMom](#): > > Just out of curiosity, how many American jobs have these job creators created? I’ve yet to hear one of them cite any numbers. Well, the numbers aren’t too good. But don’t blame the Job Creators™; they _would_ be creating more jobs if their job-creating capital weren’t being snatched away at gunpoint by the Tax-and-Spend Liberals™ and given to the freeloading Half of Americans Who Pay No Income Tax™. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/19 "2011-09-19T13:58:28Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > Richie Rich became Job-Creatory Job-Creator! Too good. I actually preferred “this cake is so moist and job creator!” ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/20 "2011-09-19T14:08:33Z")
Job Creators and Class Warfare are the two biggest, stinkiest, worm infested pieces of BULLSHIT being shoved down the American throats today. To me, the Republican argument today can can be summarized as this. Picture Eric Cantor in a long blond wig and with lots of eye makeup and the mascara is running from his tears. (Hysterical crying) LEAVE RICH PEOPLE ALONE! (sobbing) LEAVE THEM ALONE! You think having a minimum tax on millionaires is class warfare? No, class warfare is giving huge tax breaks to companies and then saying, well we have a budget gap so we have to shut down the union for public employes. (except for cops, their union supported me in the last election). Class warfare is hugely profitable corporations, not only not paying taxes but getting huge payments from the government just so they will do business in America and then turning around and saying “America is broke. We can’t afford to pay for teachers or Social Security anymore.” America is not broke. The wealth of America has been transferred to the few, transferred, to the corporations, which, btw, own the ‘free press’, and now they want the rest of it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788.md?page=2)