# The Bullshit term "job creators" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 19, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788 "2011-09-19T03:50:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/21 "2011-09-19T14:14:23Z")
Honestly, I have a hard time imagining even hardcore conservative voters not rolling their eyes when they hear some politician talking about “job creators.” The term couldn’t come across as more of a cynical committee-created talking point if the words “Brought to You by the RNC” flashed onscreen every time a conservative lawmaker said it. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/22 "2011-09-19T14:16:44Z")
My favorite part is when the pubbies accues Obama of class warfare for suggesting we raise taxes on the wealthy to pay down the debt. The Republican platform IS class warfare, through-and-through. Now their complaint is that anyone would fight back. And what else are they going to do? They are a bunch of pussies with no sound ideas which can be defended rationally. Bullshit is all they can do. Eisenhower is rolling over in his grave. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/23 "2011-09-19T14:32:50Z")
A person who is getting income of over $1,000,000 per year (and will subject to the “class-warfare” tax that Obama is proposing) generally does not actually work. Well, a few CEO’s entertainers and athletes may make this kind of yearly salary, but for the most part, these million dollar/year earners are sitting on a large pile of cash, blue chip stocks and bonds in a portfolio. This portfolio is earning them income. I fail to see how someone sitting on their ass earning money through investments is creating jobs. “But Oh”, someone might say - “their investments in large corporations make them run, and help the corporations create jobs.” This would be the corporations that are currently sitting on piles of cash, enjoying large profits and increased productivity from the few workers they kept on, and have no plans of hiring in the near future. No jobs for you! And how does a million dollar hollywood star or athlete “create jobs”? I would think the biggest job creators would be the small (and I mean 2 - 10 employees) business owner, who is NOT rich, and who does NOT make $1 million/year. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/24 "2011-09-19T15:11:02Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > You think having a minimum tax on millionaires is class warfare? > > No, class warfare is giving huge tax breaks to companies and then saying, well we have a budget gap so we have to shut down the union for public employes. (except for cops, their union supported me in the last election). > > Class warfare is hugely profitable corporations, not only not paying taxes but getting huge payments from the government just so they will do business in America and then turning around and saying “America is broke. We can’t afford to pay for teachers or Social Security anymore.” I thought class warfare was stuff like the Bolsheviks killing Tsar Nicholas II and family, or hired thugs firing on striking copper miners. Stuff like that. ---
**Author:** ![Lago\_Ys-Transform](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a587f6/32.png) [@Lago\_Ys-Transform](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lago_Ys-Transform)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/25 "2011-09-19T15:20:25Z")
Was it elucidator who recommended using the term ‘job cremators’? It was one of you fellas. I say that instead of getting upset about the eumphemism, we start using **that**. Let’s see which one sticks harder. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/26 "2011-09-19T15:24:22Z")
And according to Lindsey Graham, ensuring that millionaires pay fair tax rates - not confiscatory rates, but you know, just in line with what most people pay - is “class warfare.” He said this with a straight face. > **[Video News - CNN](https://www.cnn.com/videos)** > > Watch breaking news videos, viral videos and original video clips on CNN.com. So add “class warfare” to another of the bullshit words. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/27 "2011-09-19T15:42:28Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Some rich people do create a lot of jobs. Some don’t create any jobs- Alex Rodriguez and Paris Hilton for example. If you want to create a tax break for people who create jobs when they actually create them, I’m all for it. If you want to lower taxes on all rich people in the blind faith that some of them might be slightly more inclined to invest money in job-creating endeavors, you’re a fool. Show us the jobs and we’ll show you the tax break. Actually, Paris Hilton creates lots of jobs. Leaving aside her army of personal assistants, she was responsible for the creation of multiple reality shows which employ large numbers of people not in front of and behind the camera. Moreover, you could argue that she indirectly created even mor jobs because without tons of other reality shows following around various celebrities, such as the Kardashian sisters, would never have been created. ---
**Author:** ![LeeshaJoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LeeshaJoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LeeshaJoy)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/28 "2011-09-19T15:46:45Z")
How about we make the “job-creators” put their money where their mouths are, and tie tax breaks _to_ domestic job creation? Surely there’s a way to make this work. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/29 "2011-09-19T15:56:07Z")
> [@Lago\_Ys-Transform](#): > > Was it elucidator who recommended using the term ‘job cremators’? It was one of you fellas. > > I say that instead of getting upset about the eumphemism, we start using **that**. Let’s see which one sticks harder. Do you really think we should run the country based on who can make up the best slogans? Do you think reality should ever factor into this? Ben Stein, a conservative, argues for raising taxes saying it isn’t a matter of dogma but a matter of common sense. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/30 "2011-09-19T16:00:54Z")
> [@FairyChatMom](#): > > Just out of curiosity, how many American jobs have these job creators created? I’ve yet to hear one of them cite any numbers. Did you mean: how many jobs could a job create create, if a job creator could create jobs? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/31 "2011-09-19T16:09:28Z")
> [@Lago\_Ys-Transform](#): > > Was it elucidator who recommended using the term ‘job cremators’? It was one of you fellas… Certainly not, thats practically a pun! **Vinny Turnip**. I bet it was him. ---
**Author:** ![Oukile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@Oukile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oukile)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/32 "2011-09-19T16:27:06Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Your $50,000 intellectual teachers are no better: they drive imported cars, watch foreign movies **and drink French wine.** Do you have any idea how much money American stores make selling French Bordeaux for 5 times its price in France -and the amount of taxes that the US earns on that? We French people are the real job creators ! ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/33 "2011-09-19T16:29:38Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Actually, Paris Hilton creates lots of jobs. Leaving aside her army of personal assistants, she was responsible for the creation of multiple reality shows which employ large numbers of people not in front of and behind the camera. > > Moreover, you could argue that she indirectly created even mor jobs because without tons of other reality shows following around various celebrities, such as the Kardashian sisters, would never have been created. I thought the party line was that rich people create jobs by investing and risking their precious capital. In other words, tell me how a slightly higher tax rate on Paris Hilton would have stopped the creation of all these reality-show jobs. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/34 "2011-09-19T16:39:30Z")
It’s not doublespeak or propaganda, it’s merely the Luntzification of American discourse. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/35 "2011-09-19T16:45:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Certainly not, thats practically a pun! **Vinny Turnip**. I bet it was him. I’m innocent, I tell ya. Mine are far less clever. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/36 "2011-09-19T16:46:51Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > You class-warfare nuts are having fun, but I think we need some balance in this thread. (Marxist sentiments are so strong in America, it’s easy to forget that Ronald Regan disproved Communism.) > > The underclass doesn’t help America’s economy: they buy Chinese clothing, Japanese porn, and Mexican food. If you increase their wages, many will just celebrate by shooting heroin into their veins – and that money goes straight to America’s enemies in Afghanistan. Your $50,000 intellectual teachers are no better: they drive imported cars, watch foreign movies and drink French wine. > > What this country needs is to stop confiscating the hard-earned wealth of our best citizens, and stop coddling the underachievers. We made great progress toward this goal for eight years but, with deadbeats allowed to vote, it’s 3 steps forward, 2 steps back here. Now we have Obama threatening to make Warren Buffett pay as much taxes as his secretary. :smack: _starts slow clap_ 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/37 "2011-09-19T16:54:18Z")
> [@Sudden\_Kestrel](#): > > I propose a National Day of the Consumer where we all refuse to buy anything or do anything that costs money, just to remind the bastards where all their profits come from. This has got to be the stupidest idea ever. It’s the idiocy of “Don’t Buy Gas For A Day” squared. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/38 "2011-09-19T16:54:41Z")
The job creators are the small business men. The corporations have downsized and offshored for decades. Want to help out the job creators, tax the corporations and help the small business owners. The bankers are deep in cash, yet BofA is laying off 30,000 employees. They will be offshored. That is even more money for those on top. They do not care about the public good. They just want more and more money. Demand is the omitted component in the financial equation. We have to put money in the hands of the consumers to generate business. Fixing the infrastructure would be a good start. It needs to be done and would put money in the hands of people who would buy things. It would also give money to corporations who would pressure the politicians to allow them to buy steel and supplies from China. That should not be permitted. We need to help American businessmen . ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/39 "2011-09-19T17:08:24Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I’m innocent, I tell ya. Mine are far less clever. Oh. Well, if its clever, maybe it was me. My memory isn’t what it used to be. Or maybe it is. ---
**Author:** ![Lago\_Ys-Transform](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a587f6/32.png) [@Lago\_Ys-Transform](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lago_Ys-Transform)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788/40 "2011-09-19T17:09:33Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > Do you really think we should run the country based on who can make up the best slogans? > > Do you think reality should ever factor into this? Ben Stein, a conservative, argues for raising taxes saying it isn’t a matter of dogma but a matter of common sense. Ideally, no and yes. Practically, it’s just something you have to deal with and no amount of idealism or rationality is going to get us past that waist-high fence. It’s pretty much impossible to beat propaganda/appeals to emotion/style over substance with anything less than than the same. You’re just going to have to accept the fact that the only recourse to ‘there you go again’ or ‘death panels’ is a pithier aphorism or insult and not getting down in the mud just makes you lose. Now this doesn’t mean that you should discard facts or reasoning or whatever when making your case, you should realize that it needs to be packaged with Newspeak and sloganeering in order to get anywhere even if it dilutes the overall message. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bullshit-term-job-creators/596788.md?page=3)