# The Bundys are at it again. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 3, 2016, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043 "2016-01-03T04:49:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 194
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2022, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3861 "2022-03-13T01:33:17Z")
Try a different device or incognito? I’m not having trouble but it sounds like a cookie issue. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2022, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3862 "2022-03-13T01:49:11Z")
How can one be arrested on “suspicion of trespassing”? You either are or you aren’t. Must be some law-talkin’ distinction. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2022, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3863 "2022-03-13T03:26:27Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > – and the OP article either has just disappeared, or one’s only allowed to read it once. I closed the tab and then tried to go back to it, but I keep getting “access denied.” Some kind of invalid certificate? I get this message: > [@](#): > > # Error 526 > > Ray ID: 6eb1a77e3901312e • 2022-03-13 03:24:01 UTC > > ## Invalid SSL certificate > > ## What happened? > > The origin web server does not have a valid SSL certificate. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2022, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3864 "2022-03-13T03:54:07Z")
see if this works > **[Far-Right Activist Ammon Bundy Claims 'Ambush' After Hospital Arrest](https://www.newsweek.com/far-right-activist-ammon-bundy-claims-ambush-after-hospital-arrest-1687504)** > > Bundy is running as an Independent in Idaho's gubernatorial race. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2022, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3865 "2022-03-13T04:01:43Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > see if this works We were referring to the article linked in the OP as having questionable accessibility. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2022, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3866 "2022-03-13T04:09:40Z")
Ah, well, if you strip the url to the root, it looks like the domain (site) has gone TU. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2022, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3867 "2022-03-13T16:07:29Z")
FWIW, I accessed the linked article under discussion twice last night and once again a few minutes ago without incident. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3868 "2022-03-13T17:14:00Z")
It’s that pesky “innocent until proven guilty” thing; its a part of due process. Otherwise, they’d have just lined him up against a wall & shot him. /s ( Then you’d have to just ask questions of his silly hat ) ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2022, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3869 "2022-03-13T17:34:06Z")
> [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](#): > > It’s that pesky “innocent until proven guilty” thing; its a part of due process. Yes, but then would the person be convicted of “suspicion of trespassing”, or actual trespassing? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2022, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3870 "2022-03-13T19:20:19Z")
technically, a news outlet has to use soft words like “suspect”, “alleged”, “accused” and so forth until a person has been duly convicted of a thing ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3871 "2022-03-13T19:21:20Z")
… Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3872 "2022-03-14T02:46:49Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > technically . . . A little less technically, mere suspicion of certain crimes is damn near criminalized in itself, in effect. I’m thinking of drunk driving cases, in which a driver can get his license impounded on the spot, hauled off to the drunk tank for the night, and have to pay hundreds of dollars just to have some kind of hearing to get his license back. – All entirely independently of having a trial. As the Queen of Hearts said at the trial of the Knave of Hearts: “Sentence first, verdict afterward!”. The White Queen also agreed: “…there’s the King’s Messenger. He’s in prison now, being punished: and the trial doesn’t even begin till next Wednesday: and of course the crime comes last of all.” Off with their heads! The trial can wait. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3873 "2022-03-14T04:50:09Z")
Which reminds me of the animated _Transformers_ movie, in which a tribunal named the Quintessons sentenced people to death when they were found innocent. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3874 "2022-03-14T05:07:28Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > A little less technically, mere suspicion of certain crimes is damn near criminalized in itself In the sense that you can be incarcerated based on suspicion, yes, but if you can show that your detainment was grossly unjust (e.g., the police had no probable cause to arrest you to begin with), you _might_ be able to get fair compensation for your losses. For our flavor of “justice”, this sort of thing is necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3875 "2022-03-17T01:39:51Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > It’s entirely unclear to me why the child was losing weight. Was it due to improper feeding, or to an illness? What was the disagreement about the treatment? Sounds like the child (name of Cyrus, according to the article) was being starved by the parents, since he was apparently able to gain weight in hospital: > [@](#): > > The arrest followed a dispute between police and a family over their 10-month-old child’s health. > > On March 1, the child was admitted to a hospital after suffering from malnourishment. The child was able to gain weight while under medical care, but during a follow-up appointment medical experts determined the child lost “a significant amount of weight,” the statement said. > > After other follow-ups where the parents did not show up, Meridian police arrived at their home to check on the child, but they refused to let the officers check on them. By the time that officers received a warrant, the parents and child left the home, according to the statement. > > Officers eventually located the vehicle and brought the child to the hospital for medical care Friday night, police said. Saturday morning, Bundy and his followers showed up, prompting the arrest. He faces misdemeanor charges of trespassing and resisting officers. So the timeline seems to be, starting March 1: - Child admitted to hospital for malnourishment - Child able to gain weight under hospital care - (Presumably, child removed from hospital by parents) - Follow-up appointment finds child losing weight again - (Presumably, this is where procedures for dealing with suspected parental abuse and/or negligence come into play) - Parents are AWOL on subsequent follow-up visits, so cops go looking for them - Friday March 11, evening, police locate child and bring to hospital for care - Saturday March 12, Ammon Bundy and the BundyBund shove their sorry asses into the situation, get arrested, and whine about “medical tyranny” interfering with “parental rights”. IOW, the BundyBund are standing up for the “right” to starve your child if you want to, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3876 "2022-03-17T01:55:30Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > IOW, the BundyBund are standing up for the “right” to starve your child if you want to, I guess. But Heaven forfend that a parent should have the parental right to seek suitable medical care for their LGBTQ/Trans child! **Opinion: I’d call myself a good parent for helping a kid in crisis. Missouri might call me a criminal.** > **[Opinion | Proposed abortion measures in Missouri would turn a parent like me...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/16/missouri-abortion-idaho-transgender-bills-would-call-me-criminal/)** > > What’s worse than forcing people to become health-care refugees? Making it a crime to help them. > Imagine being legally forbidden to save your child’s life. > That could be the upshot of recent measures in Missouri and Idaho that aim to restrict abortion access and criminalize medical care for transgender kids. State attempts to control the bodies of certain segments of their population are now common, but these measures would add a sinister twist: extending that control beyond state borders. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3877 "2022-03-17T13:46:01Z")
And remember that these are _conservatives_, devoted to individual liberty. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3878 "2022-03-17T13:52:50Z")
More like “These are conservatives, devoted to making life as hard as possible for everybody who isn’t a strait-ish, white, “Christian” male.” ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3879 "2022-03-17T14:02:45Z")
This isn’t about a Bundy, but it Bundy adjacent: Matt Shea, former Spokane Valley WA State Rep and premier alt-right jerkoff who was part of the Bundy dildofest in OR, is in the news again. Shea is a guy who wrote a “christian” manifesto justifying creating a “holy army” and killing people (mainly the brown Muslim ones). Now he is Poland collecting orphans as his “prospective daughters”. I don’t know what this is all about, but it is creepy as fuck! > **[Former state Rep. Matt Shea takes part in rescue of 62 orphans from Ukrainian...](https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/mar/16/ukrainian-orphans-rescued-by-matt-shea-raise-conce/)** > > As bombs fell in Mariupol, an eastern Ukrainian city ravaged by fighting between Russian and Ukrainian forces, Spokane pastor and former legislator Matt Shea launched a rescue mission for 62 orphans. In a video and post to Facebook on March 8,... ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3880 "2022-03-17T14:04:35Z")
I’m sure he’ll narrow it down to the 10 or so prettiest ones. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043.md?page=193) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043.md?page=195)