# The Bundys are at it again. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 3, 2016, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043 "2016-01-03T04:49:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 199
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3961 "2023-08-14T19:08:06Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > but holing up in his compound with armed guards daring the authorities to come and get him amounts to the same thing. Good thing he has no history of anything resembling that! šŸ™„ ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3962 "2023-08-14T19:34:13Z")
No disrespect intended to those who deserve to recoup funds lost, but Iā€™d almost rather see the scenario where he holes up and is forcibly removed, with enough risk to the police that he goes to jail for a nice, loooong time for the added felonies. These yahoos are good at slowing things down by hiding assets, or later grifting funds from their fellow travelers, but going to jail for 5-10 years will shut them down much more effectively. Or at least, it is to be hoped. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3963 "2023-08-14T20:30:43Z")
Agreed! I wouldnā€™t want to see another Ruby Ridge, but I could definitely see this asshat gunning for one. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3964 "2023-08-14T20:34:45Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > No disrespect intended to those who deserve to recoup funds lost, but Iā€™d almost rather see the scenario where he holes up and is forcibly removed, with enough risk to the police that he goes to jail for a nice, loooong time for the added felonies. Didnā€™t we already try that? Nobody went to jail. I donā€™t think those laws were ever intended to be used against white people. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3965 "2023-08-14T20:41:10Z")
Itā€™s already happened twice with this shithead. Here is to hoping the third times the charm! And yes, color of skin is the deciding factor. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3966 "2023-08-14T20:41:32Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > Didnā€™t we already try that? Nobody went to jail. I donā€™t think those laws were ever intended to be used against white people. IMHO - the last time they tried that, the prosecutor tried too hard to go for the more serious charges rather than the easier ones, and got the whole thing tossed as a result. Not that you arenā€™t completely right in that heā€™s dealing with a largely sympathetic local population, law enforcement and probable judiciary, but if you keep it simple, you have a better shot, pun intended in a gruesome manner. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3967 "2023-08-14T21:07:33Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > the last time they tried that, the prosecutor tried too hard to go for the more serious charges rather than the easier ones AIUI, there is some kind of rule binding federal prosecutors to try the most extreme charge. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3968 "2023-08-14T22:04:36Z")
Well, I am not a lawyer, so I wonā€™t speak to requirements. But that as I recall, the efforts for the serious charges required proof of conspiracy, and that the utter lack of organization in the standoff and general clusterfuck seemed to speak against such. And then, of course, the prosecutors according to reports and the judge bungled on their requirements to share information with the defense about the _other_ standoff on Bundyā€™s property. So I repeat, IANAL, but it appears that the failures to date have often been in the realm of prosecutors tripping themselves up. What we -need- is a Mr. Smith level cool headed prosecutor to assemble a solid case with minimal fanfare, and shooting an unarmed agent enforcing their return to court would give a solid basis for such a thing. Although Iā€™d totally accept him holing up in at his ranch, surrounded by feds on all sides, who choose to blast the Macarena at him or something equally inane for a week straight until they surrender or decide on other options. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3969 "2023-09-01T12:36:50Z")
Ammon headed back to court.My favorite part is poor oleā€™ Ammon canā€™t find an attorney so his dipshit ā€œPeopleā€™s RIghts Networkā€ seemed to want to represent him but the judge was having none of that. > **[Ammon Bundy will go to trial for allegedly harassing witnesses in St. Lukeā€™s...](https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2023/aug/29/ammon-bundy-will-go-to-trial-for-allegedly-harassi/)** > > After a year of avoiding the Ada County Courthouse in a defamation case brought against him, far-right activist Ammon Bundy appeared for a hearing Tuesday morning. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3970 "2023-10-19T13:14:24Z")
Ammon ā€œsoldā€ his house to make sure St. Lukeā€™s couldnā€™t get it as part of the damages he owes them. Looks like his attempt might fail. I canā€™t wait to see the eviction event. Iā€™m sure heā€™ll call on his Pocket Constitution Brigade to bring their AR-15 shaped dick extensions to help protect him. > **[Idaho judge gives Bundy deadline as St. Lukeā€™s seeks to void home sale,...](https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/northwest/idaho/article280647775.html)** > > The far-right Idaho activist soon could be found guilty by default because he has once again refused to participate in a legal case against him. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3971 "2023-11-17T00:02:41Z")
Ammon has a new arrest warrant. When is this armed standoff going to occur? > [@](#): > > ā€œI have much more important matters to attend to, such as providing for my familyā€™s needs,ā€ Bundy wrote. ā€œMy entire life has been consumed by political prosecutions and I must now do what is necessary to sustain my family.ā€ Sounds like he is taking a page from Trump. Itā€™s a witch hunt! Read more at: [https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/community/boise/article281805443.html#storylink=cpy](https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/community/boise/article281805443.html#storylink=cpy) > **[Judge to issue new warrant for Ammon Bundy and $250,000 bond for contempt...](https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/community/boise/article281805443.html)** > > An Ada County judge issued the warrant after Bundy failed to appear. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3972 "2023-11-17T00:06:47Z")
Baker Creek Seeds permanently lost me as a customer when I found out they invited Cliven Bundy to a local festival, to be a keynote speaker. They withdrew the offer when people found out and protested. > **[Baker Creek Invites and Un-invites Cliven Bundy to Speak](https://www.rootsimple.com/2019/05/baker-creek-invites-then-un-invites-cliven-bundy-to-speak/)** > > This week the sedate world of edible gardening saw an unusual burst of controversy not related to either double digging or the use of Miracle Grow. Baker Creek Seeds found themselves at the center of a social medial firestorm after inviting Cliven... ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3973 "2023-11-17T00:11:00Z")
I like how they lead off his description as ā€œheirloom vegetable farmerā€ rather than ā€œpatriarch of a domestic terrorism familyā€. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3974 "2023-11-17T00:18:02Z")
Well, -if- heā€™s arrested again (no bets) I guess at least heā€™s a lot less likely to get bail after he refused to appear. A tiny frisson of joy, despite the fact that everything in thread shows a decided lack of willingness or ability to hold him accountable for his actions. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3975 "2023-12-02T16:07:35Z")
Anyone seen a missing Ammon? > **[Ammon Bundy ā€˜in hidingā€™ after losing Idaho home, websites in legal battle...](https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/community/boise/article282581598.html)** > > A judge ruled that the activistā€™s sale of his Emmett property was a ā€œfraudulent conveyance,ā€ and the Peopleā€™s Rights Network site continued to display false, defamatory posts. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2023, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3976 "2023-12-02T17:28:34Z")
Link that doesnā€™t require subscribing or ā€œanswering 3 questionsā€: > **[Ammon Bundy ā€˜in hidingā€™ after losing Idaho home, websites in legal battle...](https://news.yahoo.com/ammon-bundy-hiding-losing-idaho-011015086.html)** > > A judge ruled that the activistā€™s sale of his Emmett property was a ā€œfraudulent conveyance,ā€ and the Peopleā€™s Rights Network site continued to display false, defamatory posts. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2023, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3977 "2023-12-03T00:28:06Z")
Oops, I didnā€™t realize it was a paywalled link. Thanks for the assist. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3978 "2023-12-05T04:44:56Z")
Hereā€™s a gift link good for 14 days (till 12/18/23) to an extensive Atlantic article about Ammon Bundy, including his recent disappearance, by a (Jewish!) reporter who somehow managed to interview Ammon, his father, Cliven, and others in their circle. > **[Gift Article: Ammon Bundy Has Disappeared](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2023/11/ammon-bundy-disappearance-peoples-rights-network/675939/?gift=hzomlMR2dBLPzkPdeme4aMbsgBYheW0OZj8qUcB5HGo&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share)** > > An anti-government extremist seemed on the verge of another standoff with the law. Then he vanished. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3979 "2023-12-05T15:17:57Z")
Interesting article. Glad to see his backers failed to bring their guns to his aid and I hope that continues. This is one group that seemingly gets away with armed insurrection and other crimes without true punishment. Hell, Cliven is still illegally grazing his cattle a decade after they tried to stop him. Hopefully Ammon stays hidden, but I fear he will seek the limelight again. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/3980 "2023-12-05T15:49:52Z")
Is Ammon even worth hunting? Maybe if they offered a 2% reward. Imagineā€¦ a show on The Outdoors Channel with bad country music playing, guys in tree stands in Camo ( covered in deer pee ) discovering that Ammon was ā€œIn Seasonā€ and deciding whether to go after him with bows, shotguns, or deer rifles. Brought to you by ā€˜Gun Nutsā€™. \< Gun Nuts -ā€œYou gotta chew on something in your tree stand.ā€ \> [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043.md?page=198) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043.md?page=200)