# The Bundys are at it again. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 3, 2016, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043 "2016-01-03T04:49:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/21 "2016-01-03T12:13:56Z")
You know what the government should do about Sovereign citizen nuts? Give them what they want. Give them a legal form to submit so they and their land can secede from the US. However with a few conditions: - Your citizenship of the US is stripped. You now need a visa and a passport to enter the US. Woops, sorry we don’t recognise any documents from your now independent nation - Enter the US without permission? You’ll be detained and then deported back to your home country the same as any other illegal immigrant. - Enter the US armed without permission? That’ll be treated as an armed invasion and met with military force. - Get in trouble with the neighbours? Tough luck, Police and government won’t do anything to help you. Anyone that can get away with it is free to steal your property or do whatever else they want. - All goods entering and leaving your sovereign nation are subject to customs inspection and import export duties. - Any bank accounts you hold outside your own territory are frozen. Foreign citizens without ID can’t open bank accounts in the US. And woops, sorry we don’t accept your ID issued by yourself. You want out of the social contract? You can have it, but you can’t freeload off the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/22 "2016-01-03T12:27:01Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > You know what the government should do about Sovereign citizen nuts? Give them what they want. Give them a legal form to submit so they and their land can secede from the US. However with a few conditions: > > - Your citizenship of the US is stripped. You now need a visa and a passport to enter the US. Woops, sorry we don’t recognise any documents from your now independent nation > - Enter the US without permission? You’ll be detained and then deported back to your home country the same as any other illegal immigrant. > - Enter the US armed without permission? That’ll be treated as an armed invasion and met with military force. > - Get in trouble with the neighbours? Tough luck, Police and government won’t do anything to help you. Anyone that can get away with it is free to steal your property or do whatever else they want. > - All goods entering and leaving your sovereign nation are subject to customs inspection and import export duties. > - Any bank accounts you hold outside your own territory are frozen. Foreign citizens without ID can’t open bank accounts in the US. And woops, sorry we don’t accept your ID issued by yourself. > > You want out of the social contract? You can have it, but you can’t freeload off the rest of us. I like this idea. I like this idea a lot. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/23 "2016-01-03T13:09:53Z")
Can someone give me the Bundy 101 version of what these knuckleheads are trying to prove? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/24 "2016-01-03T13:44:57Z")
[Here:](http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/03/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-protest/) > [@](#): > > The protesters occupied part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns after a march supporting Dwight and Steven Hammond, two ranchers who are convicted of arson. > > Prosecutors said the Hammonds set the fire, which burned about 130 acres in 2001, to cover up poaching. The father and son were sentenced to five years in prison. > > The Hammonds said they lit the fire to reduce the growth of invasive plants and protect their property from wildfires, CNN affiliate KTVZ reported. Someone like \*\*Lumpy \*\*might tell you more about their resisting-tyranny, cop-killing fantasies. There’s a large element of [fringed-flag nuttiness](http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/02/3735576/150-armed-militia-members-take-over-federal-building/) there, too: > [@](#): > > They claim “that the federal government had no authority in Harney County.” … Cliven Bundy is also advising the local ranchers, Steven and Dwight Hammond, not to submit to federal authorities as required on Monday. Instead, Bundy is urging them to go to the Harney County jail and ask for “protective custody.” That’s actually a good idea, Cliven. I suggest they do exactly that. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/25 "2016-01-03T14:28:11Z")
Well, if that’s true then I can see why they’re upset. That is some pretty hardcore Oppressed White Guyism they’ve been subjected to. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/26 "2016-01-03T14:28:26Z")
The NY Times has a small article on the front page of their website. Fox News has it front and center with this headline: ‘AS LONG AS IT TAKES’: Armed protesters hunker down in federal building over ranching dispute Now, let’s pretend these were armed Muslim extremists that took over a federal building. Would the NY Times have a small headline? Would Fox News call them “armed protesters”? ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/27 "2016-01-03T14:29:35Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > \ > > The gov’t should figure out a way to bring in (bulletproof) loudspeakers and play music these goons would hate, like they did with Noriega. How about alternating between death metal and “It’s A Small World.” I think just looping [this fine tune](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQhyDYQ081U) would do the trick. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/28 "2016-01-03T14:33:34Z")
Something I don’t understand: The very same redneck idiots who support the Bundy terrorists are adamant that Obama will send his jackbooted thugs to take your Grandma to the death camp if you mention Jesus during Christmas or refuse to vaccinate your children. Yet AFAIK the Islamo-Kenyan thugs have left Bundy alone. What gives? Didn’t Bundy mention Christmas? Are his kids’ vaccinations up to date? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/29 "2016-01-03T14:47:21Z")
There’s nothing wrong with the Bundys that a plane load of napalm wouldn’t fix. I hope they get into a shootout with the feds and get blown to unrecognizable smithereens. If we execute people for selling cigarettes and playing with toys, surely we can eliminate these cancers. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/30 "2016-01-03T15:30:08Z")
I’m about as anti gubment as you can find around here (barring actual wackadoodles). And about as pro gun as you can find around here (again barring actual wackadoodles). But how the previous Bundy shit went down (I agree with most Smapti shit to be honest) had me screaming “mow down those stupid asssed muther fuckers already” So this is kinda like my personal perfect storm of “conflicting” interests. Personally I hope a shit load of idiots end up in jail or dead. PS. I too thought this might be a Ted or Al thingy. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/31 "2016-01-03T15:31:49Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > So did I, but then noticed this was a Pit thread and knew no one could pit that! Did you SEE the last few seasons? Truly pitworthy. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > That’s actually a good idea, Cliven. I suggest they do exactly that. If the Hammonds don’t want them there, this could reduce collateral damage. I’d want to be far away from Cliven Bundy when the balloon goes up. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/32 "2016-01-03T15:36:13Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > There’s nothing wrong with the Bundys that a plane load of napalm wouldn’t fix. I hope they get into a shootout with the feds and get blown to unrecognizable smithereens. If we execute people for selling cigarettes and playing with toys, surely we can eliminate these cancers. If I gave you a gun and the opportunity, would you kill Cliven Bundy? ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/33 "2016-01-03T15:37:46Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Personally I hope a shit load of idiots end up in jail or dead. > > PS. I too thought this might be a Ted or Al thingy. If I gave you a gun and the opportunity, would you kill Cliven Bundy? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/34 "2016-01-03T15:39:29Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > If I gave you a gun and the opportunity, would you kill Cliven Bundy? I would if the heavens parted and God said “you won’t burn in hell or spend time in jail for it” Bundy is gawd damn fucking dickweed. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/35 "2016-01-03T15:39:53Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > Send in SWAT teams, and make Swiss cheese out of all these motherfuckers. > . If I gave you a gun and the opportunity, would you kill Cliven Bundy? ---
**Author:** ![Grsz11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grsz11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grsz11)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/36 "2016-01-03T15:41:42Z")
I know exactly what to do with terrorist scum. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/37 "2016-01-03T15:45:27Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > I would if the heavens parted and God said “you won’t burn in hell or spend time in jail for it” > > Bundy is gawd damn fucking dickweed. So, you’re good with summary execution, and even willing to perform it yourself, as long as you personally risk nothing? I want to be sure I am clear on your position. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/38 "2016-01-03T15:47:03Z")
> [@Grsz11](#): > > I know exactly what to do with terrorist scum. For which LE agency or branch of the military do you work? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/39 "2016-01-03T15:49:55Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > So, you’re good with summary execution, and even willing to perform it yourself, as long as you personally risk nothing? I want to be sure I am clear on your position. Yep. ---
**Author:** ![Grsz11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Grsz11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grsz11)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/40 "2016-01-03T15:52:26Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > For which LE agency or branch of the military do you work? I don’t feed trolls. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043.md?page=3)