# The Bundys are at it again. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 3, 2016, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043 "2016-01-03T04:49:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 202
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4021 "2023-12-06T23:32:18Z")
Assholes gonna asshole. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4022 "2023-12-07T00:43:15Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Why risk the lives of you friends Brave free-man risking his life [![](https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/bundy-standoff-rt-jt-220103_1641247161255_hpMain.jpg) ](https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/bundy-standoff-rt-jt-220103_1641247161255_hpMain.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4023 "2023-12-07T02:39:16Z")
Please tell me that’s illegal. He’s pointing the damn thing at people, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4024 "2023-12-07T02:52:59Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > To upholding the rule of law? At what cost? Is risking innocent lives during a high speed police chase worth enforcing a speeding ticket or a possible stolen vehicle? > [@thorny locust](#): > > It might not have made sense to have a firefight right then, no. But they didn’t arrest the perps when they caught them alone at the grocery store, either; or come back and collect the cattle some other time when there wasn’t a whole crew prepared to defend them, or levy major fines and seize bank accounts, paychecks, and property to cover them. It’s been years, and apparently nothing’s been done at all. I agree. The government should certainly level fines, get liens on Bundy’s property, and try to ruin him financially, like the hospital has done to Ammon. Fuck, get a court order to seize his damn cattle and take them. I too am confounded why (outside of embarrassment over the prosecutorial misconduct) the government has not sought other means to hit Cliven where it hurts. But thats a far cry from risking lives to have him arrested over cattle grazing. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4025 "2023-12-07T02:58:18Z")
His continued transgressions risk lives. If you want to minimize risk to human lives, get him arrested ASAP. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4026 "2023-12-07T03:11:39Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > get a court order to seize his damn cattle and take them. I think they already did that; or at any rate tried it. That’s when the guns came out: when they were trying to take them. > [@Hamlet](#): > > But thats a far cry from risking lives to have him arrested over cattle grazing. Doing zilch for years is a far cry in the other direction. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4027 "2023-12-07T03:42:48Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > His continued transgressions risk lives. If you want to minimize risk to human lives, get him arrested ASAP. Walk me through the logic here, because I’m not seeing it. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4028 "2023-12-07T04:44:29Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Please tell me that’s illegal. He’s pointing the damn thing at people, after all. I’m guessing that “American Patriot” suffered no ill consequences for aiming a loaded rifle at law enforcement. I’m sure he still proudly flies his huge US flag next to his “don’t tread on me” flag from his coal rolling pickup bed while his pocket constitution still protects him. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4029 "2023-12-07T11:47:45Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Walk me through the logic here, because I’m not seeing it. The terrorists do things like laying siege to a hospital for daring to provide medical treatment. Let them keep on doing things like that, and sooner or later, someone’s going to get an itchy trigger finger, and they’ll start shooting at hospitals. When that happens, almost certainly, innocent lives will be lost. So arrest them now, before that happens. And yes, arresting them is likely to result in the terrorists shooting, too. Police are supposed to be able to deal with that. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4030 "2023-12-07T16:41:44Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The terrorists do things like laying siege to a hospital for daring to provide medical treatment. Let them keep on doing things like that, and sooner or later, someone’s going to get an itchy trigger finger, and they’ll start shooting at hospitals. And/or people are going to die in the hospital for lack of proper treatment; due to care providers not being able to or not willing to show up, and/or to their being distracted and unable to think straight. And/or people are going to die because of being not in the hospital because they were unwilling or unable to get there. If they’d succeeded in getting that baby back untreated: that child would have died. If somebody else doesn’t take their non-thriving baby in because they believe the crap that’s being spewed: that child may die. Maybe that’s already happened, for all we know. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4031 "2023-12-13T10:59:47Z")
And no matter what happens, people will look at it as the wrong course. Arrests, confrontations, or prosecution? Going too harsh. Slowly putting on pressure? Too soft. I’m in the pressure camp myself. Why poke the bear if you can just keep it contained and away from people? Ok, that metaphor may not fully work but you get me. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4032 "2023-12-16T02:50:28Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Federal law enforcement needs to be the adult in the room when SovCits and their ilk do stupid shit. > [@Chronos](#): > > The terrorists do things like laying siege to a hospital for daring to provide medical treatment. Let them keep on doing things like that, and sooner or later, someone’s going to get an itchy trigger finger, and they’ll start shooting at hospitals. When that happens, almost certainly, innocent lives will be lost. So arrest them now, before that happens. And yes, arresting them is likely to result in the terrorists shooting, too. Police are supposed to be able to deal with that. Agreed. I think being lenient on Bundy and his thugs is what emboldened the MAGAts on January 6. We need to slam the door on that kind of thinking. _Hard_. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4033 "2023-12-16T04:09:32Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The terrorists do things like laying siege to a hospital for daring to provide medical treatment. Let them keep on doing things like that, and sooner or later, someone’s going to get an itchy trigger finger, and they’ll start shooting at hospitals. When that happens, almost certainly, innocent lives will be lost. So arrest them now, before that happens. And yes, arresting them is likely to result in the terrorists shooting, too. Police are supposed to be able to deal with that. Haven’t the anti-abortion crowd _already_ murdered health care providers? Hasn’t at least one of said murderers of health care providers been able to hide out with the help of the community in which he was hiding? I may be wrong, but ISTR hearing or reading that. At the very least, they’ve murdered at least one doctor and have been idolized for it by the anti-abortion crowd. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4034 "2023-12-16T16:44:56Z")
Are you thinking of [Eric Rudolph](https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/eric-rudolph)? ETA: I tried Googling for killers of abortion doctors who hid out for a long time, with help, and I don’t doubt it’s happened, but got lost in a tangle of stories about such murderers. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4035 "2023-12-19T04:55:42Z")
Perhaps you are thinking of [James Kopp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Charles_Kopp) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4036 "2023-12-19T22:03:27Z")
That’s the one. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4037 "2023-12-19T23:49:52Z")
Pft, hospitals? That’s rookie stuff. [George Tiller](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_George_Tiller) was executed while ushering in church. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4038 "2024-07-19T13:20:23Z")
“I know the Lord wants me to go bankrupt”. If there is a god, I’m guessing they do want to see Bundy suffer some consequences for his shitty life decisions. [https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/northwest/idaho/article290203134.html](https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/northwest/idaho/article290203134.html) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4039 "2024-07-19T18:52:56Z")
He says the issue is “political”. Yeah, it is very much not that. He cannot be a straight up fucking asshole and try to use “political” for cover. That bullshit just needs to stop. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2024, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043/4040 "2024-07-20T12:46:36Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > “I know the Lord wants me to go bankrupt”. If there is a god, I’m guessing they do want to see Bundy suffer some consequences for his shitty life decisions. Dammit, Bundy, this is America; we don’t have lords here. It’s in the Constitution. You want a lord, gtfo and move to somewhere that has ‘em. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bundys-are-at-it-again/742043.md?page=201)