# The Burning Dog Crater -- Raidlist and other fun things for Cataclysm **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 10, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696 "2010-12-10T20:22:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/241 "2011-02-16T19:36:40Z")
> [@Orr\_G](#): > > tl;dr: Thank you, and good-bye, Burning Dog Legion! > > Oh, and, yes, you can have my stuff. I don’t have any toons in the BDL at this time, so just let me know here who wants to be in charge of handling my junk, and I’ll log in and mail tons of gold and mats to ya. ☹ \ I wouldn’t mind seeing the gold you send our way going into the g-bank so we can tab up and still have plenty of gold left for other things. It would make room for the other mats that we could all use while leveling up. And when you come back, we would definitely help you get back on your feet again. Think of it as a trust account. Please? ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/242 "2011-02-16T19:56:26Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I may have been using hyperbole a bit, but I’ve done quite a bit of PvP on my priest (mostly at 80, but some earlier) and that was my experience in PvE cloth gear, especially in smaller BGs like Warsong. It got better as my gear (and skill) improved and I was enjoying it, although I haven’t PvPed since Cata dropped. So I’m not completely opposed to PvP but in my experience, I’ll enjoy it more when I get a chance to get some starter +resilience gear. Once I’ve purchased all the JP upgrades available to me (which is getting close), I’ll start investing in PvP gear most likely. I’ve calculated the full amount of mats to get the [pvp ornate set](http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=ornate+pyrium) = 97 Elementium Bars and 80 Volatile Waters. I can make the purchase for the set if you want to pursue the rest of the set although I might need some time to get the extra mats which [totals out to 60 Elementium Bars, 4 Hardened Elementium Bars, and 15 Pyrium Bars.](http://www.wowhead.com/npc=50375) But I wouldn’t mind doing it just to get towards the goal of having all plans available for the rest of the guild since I seem to be the only maxed out and active Blacksmith in the guild. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/243 "2011-02-16T20:01:12Z")
I’m not in any hurry Yeti for anything except the bracers for now. If/when I start PvPing again I can start feeding you mats for the other gear. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/244 "2011-02-16T20:13:09Z")
> [@Runestar](#): > > Yes, many, MANY thanks for the upgrade. A major improvement over the relic I already had slotted in there. Hey Rune… Not sure if you know this (or for any other Ret Pallies out there), there was a major change in stat weights for us which pretty much makes haste our worst stat since 4.0.6 came out. Check out [Elitist Jerk’s 4.0.6 Ret Pally thread…under Stat Weights.](http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t110342-retribution_concordance_-_4_0_6_compliant/) Then check the priority list under Reforging. And if you already done this, my apologies…I myself discovered this over the weekend. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/245 "2011-02-17T16:34:01Z")
Thanks to Yeti for helping me out with the ‘Fistful of Love’ achievement. I didn’t realize creating a new gnome would take so long. I’m not sure what’s going to be the most difficult achievement left for this one. Probably the grind of getting Lovely Charms. I ran GB and only got 2 charms the entire run. Of course I’m going to keep needing on the bouquet until I get one. (stupid RNG:p ) ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/246 "2011-02-17T16:57:57Z")
Do you still only get Lovely Charms if you make the killing blow? I seem to remember that being a problem for my healer priest waaay back when I did it. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/247 "2011-02-17T18:07:47Z")
oooohhhh, well if that’s it, I should grind my dragon feast ingredients/leather in TH for them. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Orr\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ee59a6/32.png) [@Orr\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orr_G)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2011, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/248 "2011-02-17T21:16:43Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Do you still only get Lovely Charms if you make the killing blow? I seem to remember that being a problem for my healer priest waaay back when I did it. IIRC, that’s no longer the case, and everyone on the mob’s threat list, including healers, should get one when it drops. I don’t know why the drops seem so rare in dungeons. I found that the whatchamajigger heroes in Icecrown, the ones that bunch up like 8 at once, are great for farming Lovely Charms. I got about 2 per group on average. BTW, for anyone still farming for the bouquet, in case you didn’t know, you can get them from reg Blackrock (which I just farmed until I won the RNG). ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2011, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/249 "2011-02-18T16:27:39Z")
I just wanted to say again thanks to Yeti for the new bracers and to Tom Scud for the Tattoed Eye. I can’t wait to pop into a heroic tonight to try them out. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/250 "2011-02-21T16:18:03Z")
Bumping to see who will be around for guild night. Keyne has officially run out of things to spend JP on (the Heroic drops look better in most slots), other than building an off-spec set which is probably what I’ll do now. Because we need more ret pallies in the guild! ---
**Author:** ![hdc\_bst](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9f8e36/32.png) [@hdc\_bst](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hdc_bst)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/251 "2011-02-21T16:55:31Z")
I’ll be on tonight. I still need to get the bouquet of roses for Makig - I tried soloing Corla in BRC on normal but couldn’t quite pull it off. If anyone else needs it, I’d be willing to chain run the start of BRC a few times so we can all get it… ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/252 "2011-02-21T17:03:49Z")
I’m not interested in the boquet, but my priest could use Corla’s wand I think. ---
**Author:** ![JayRx1981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@JayRx1981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JayRx1981)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/253 "2011-02-21T17:27:56Z")
I’m in for tonight. Hopefully I won’t be a fail boomkin like I was a fail healer in Stonecore this morning. No matter how much I tried, I couldn’t seem to get my DoT to reflect back on me. This, coupled with a tank who didn’t know how to run/strafe from Ground Slam/Shatter, led to about 6 wipes before I apologized for fail healing and dropped. Anyone have any strats for getting that damned dot on me? ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/254 "2011-02-21T18:57:27Z")
Jay, I’m sorry, I don’t know what you’re talking about. But I’ve only been in heroic Stonecore twice and never got far either time. ---
**Author:** ![JayRx1981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@JayRx1981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JayRx1981)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/255 "2011-02-21T20:23:26Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Jay, I’m sorry, I don’t know what you’re talking about. But I’ve only been in heroic Stonecore twice and never got far either time. Ozruk has an ability called [Paralyze](http://www.wowhead.com/spell=92426). If he hits you with it (and he will), you’re frozen in place, unable to move or cast for…8 seconds or so. The only way to break it is to take damage. If you are a melee, that’s not a huge deal, since you were probably melee hitting him when he had [Elementium Spike Shield](http://www.wowhead.com/spell=92429) up, resulting in a dot, which breaks paralyze when it ticks. The tricky part comes in for ranged. He casts something called [Elementium Bulwark](http://www.wowhead.com/spell=92659), at which point you need to hit him with a DoT to reflect on yourself. This then breaks his paralyze on ranged when it ticks, allowing you to move (if you were within range of his [Shatter](http://www.wowhead.com/spell=92662) ability) and cast heals/damage spells again. The problem for me seems to be that even though I throw a DoT out on him when DBM warns me he has Elementium Bulwark up, half the time, the DoT doesn’t reflect onto me. I don’t know if it is just bad luck since I have no hit as a healer or if I’m doing something wrong, but the _only_ time I’m having luck hitting him is if I cast the dot literally within a second or two of the DBM warning…which is usually when I’m already casting a heal on the tank. Not landing the dot means I’m stuck for the full 8 seconds, which usually results in damage to the whole group, which I now have only a few seconds to recover from before I have to try to hit him _again_ with another DoT. It’s just a very frustrating mechanic for me. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/256 "2011-02-21T20:39:06Z")
What are healers who don’t have DoTs supposed to do, like paladins? Stay in mele range and hit him when the Spike Shield is up? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/257 "2011-02-21T20:42:36Z")
Don’t holy paladins have a judgment that does damage over time? ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/258 "2011-02-21T20:46:34Z")
Judgment does a little damage and provides a buff but I don’t think it has a DoT component, at least none that I’ve ever noticed. Once again I am frustrated by my employer’s internet filter preventing me from looking anything up. ETA: I just thought of Consecration - maybe that would work; you’d still have to get fairly close. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/259 "2011-02-21T21:13:23Z")
**Jay** , what class was the tank? The only time I’ve heard of people having problems is if either (a) the tank is a Warrior and is slamming the reflect shield off or (b) someone is dispelling the shield before the DoT ticks. Hunters have to melee or be dispelled. Paladins can Judge during Spike Shield - it causes the bleed effect (it counts as a melee attack). ---
**Author:** ![JayRx1981](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71e660/32.png) [@JayRx1981](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JayRx1981)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2011, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696/260 "2011-02-21T21:30:19Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > **Jay** , what class was the tank? The only time I’ve heard of people having problems is if either (a) the tank is a Warrior and is slamming the reflect shield off or (b) someone is dispelling the shield before the DoT ticks. > > Hunters have to melee or be dispelled. > > Paladins can Judge during Spike Shield - it causes the bleed effect (it counts as a melee attack). The tank was a Paladin, though we did have a Mage in the group, and the warlock in the group _did_ accuse him of Spell Stealing, if it’s even possible to spellsteal it. Needless to say, I moved my DBM warnings closer to my healing frames, so I’m hoping in the future I’ll see the warning faster and get the dot in more quickly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-burning-dog-crater-raidlist-and-other-fun-things-for-cataclysm/563696.md?page=14)