# The Bush Doctrine: if they could hurt us someday, we can pre-emptively attack now! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 18, 2003, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179 "2003-03-18T01:50:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![nogginhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5e9695/32.png) [@nogginhead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nogginhead)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/101 "2003-03-18T21:48:17Z")
Ah, back to the ‘why now’ question. Anyone see anything in that speech that suggested tomorrow had to be the deadline? ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/102 "2003-03-18T21:48:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Olentzero \* > \*\*I think that analogy’s getting far more tortured than either the dog or the neighbors in the scenario. \*\* My asshole neighbor had this mean old dog. He would sick the dog on the neighborhood kids. I’m a parent now, so I’m concerned about this. I haven’t seen the dog in a couple years, and the neighbor said the dog died. I asked for proof that the dog died, but he had none. He said he threw out the cremation receipt. I sent my wife over to inspect his place under the pretext of asking for sugar, but I think my neighbor knows why she was there, so he hid the dog. I looked in the back yard and saw no poop. I think the neighbor must have moved the poop around in the night so I wouldn’t see it. The other day, I saw my neighbor come home with some bowls. Bowls can be used to feed dogs. Also, I saw him last weekend with some rope. Rope can be used to tie up dogs. Last night, I heard a dog bark. I didn’t check to see where the barking was coming from exactly, but I KNOW he must have that damn dog and it’s threatening my child! I’m calling the COPS! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/103 "2003-03-18T21:57:32Z")
> [@](#): > > **minty green** That’s the silliest thing I’ve heard all day, in a day filled with silly things. I think it even tops the “Iraqis in US uniforms killing civilians” story Demise linked above. I [saw it too.](http://www.msnbc.com/news/881770.asp) > [@](#): > > **MSNBC + Newsweek:** March 17 issue — It was the usual creepy military parade through downtown Baghdad. Some of Saddam’s fedayeen (“men of sacrifice”) were dressed in dazzling white uniforms—”the color of a shroud, because we expect to die,” explained a 24-year-old fedayeen leader. More jarring were the fedayeen garbed in the familiar tan camouflage of the United States Army. **Saddam has ordered thousands of uniforms identical, down to the last detail, to those worn by U.S. and British troopers. The plan: to have Saddam’s men, posing as Western invaders, slaughter Iraqi citizens while the cameras roll for Al-Jazeera and the credulous Arab press.** What’s silly about it? Saddam kills civilians with disguised troops. Those predisposed to blaming the US, blame the US. International pressure mounts against the US. In Saddam’s mind it’s brilliant. Geez. You folks, **Olentzero** , ask for a cite. One is provided. Then, rather than admit you missed a news story, you mention the source and wish it was a better one. If I’ve seen it once, I’ve seen it a thousand times. ---
**Author:** ![XPav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/b77776/32.png) [@XPav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XPav)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/104 "2003-03-18T21:57:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Severian \* > \*\*You’ve been sent back in time to August, 1939; Would you preemptively strike Germany? \*\* Who am I? Am I FDR? Well, I can’t strike Germany, because, well,the US military is puny. Am I the UK+France? Well, if I’ve got hindsight, then yeah, because the entire Wehrmacht is on the other side of Germany. But that’s a no brainer. ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/105 "2003-03-18T22:01:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > **You folks, Olentzero, ask for a cite. One is provided. Then, rather than admit you missed a news story, you mention the source and wish it was a better one.** I miss plenty of news stories. Big deal, we all do. That one just doesn’t have much to it except one guy who says “I know what he’s doing and why but I won’t tell you how I know.” Sorry, that’s not convincing enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E.Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/73ab20/32.png) [@Wile\_E.Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E.Coyote)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/106 "2003-03-18T22:05:10Z")
“sigh” ☹ Some people just don’t get it. Saddam Hussein has chemical weapons. Nobody even tries to deny that anymore. Saddam Hussein has biological weapons. Ditto. Saddam Hussein has used these weapons on his own people. This is documented fact. Saddam Hussein hates the United States. Saddam Hussein has known ties with terrorist organizations, including Al Qaeda. (for those who don’t realize, he’s giving money to the families of suicide bombers.) Now, let’s use a little something called “inductive reasoning”. I understand that logic is nearly impossible for the liberal left, who prefer to think with their gonads (a la Bill Clinton) or their emotions (a la movie stars), but let’s try to use the ol’ gray matter for once, shall we? Hm…Saddam Hussein has WMD (oh, by the way, he’s stopped denying that he ever had them. Now he **used** to have them, but got rid of them. Right…) and wants to hurt the US. He knows of a bunch of people who’d be real happy to take his WMD and use them to hurt the US. Okay, folks, who needs this picture spelled out any more clearly? Now, as I mentioned in another thread, I’m in the National Guard. Over 1/2 of our state’s Guard has been called to active duty. It’s highly likely that I’ll be called up soon. I’m not thrilled with the idea of leaving my family and going half-way around the world to fight and possibly die. But I would rather give my life in such a conflict, than to act the coward and say “Let’s not go to war. It might hurt.” Because the next thing we know, instead of airliners flying into buildings, it’ll be NBC (Nuclear, Biological, or Chemical) weapons being used on an entire city. Think it can’t be done? Then you haven’t seen some of the stuff that I’ve been briefed on, friend. And that’s completely ignoring the moral issue of going to the rescue of all those people that Saddam Hussein is continuing to murder while testing his WMD. As my favorite author, Robert A. Heinlein once said:[Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.](http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/q137026.html) ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/107 "2003-03-18T22:06:08Z")
And that Newsweek article’s even worse. It mentions the uniform item once, in its lead-in and nowhere else. Hell, the CNN article had more information than that. ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/108 "2003-03-18T22:10:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Wile E. Coyote \* > **And that’s completely ignoring the moral issue of going to the rescue of all those people that Saddam Hussein is continuing to murder while testing his WMD.** As opposed to, say, the US servicemen and -women, as well as their family members, who were exposed to depleted uranium dust from US/UN munitions? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/109 "2003-03-18T22:32:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Demise \* > [Central Command: Iraq ordered U.S., U.K. military uniforms](http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/06/sprj.irq.uniforms/) > > [Iraqi Camp to Train Homicide Bombers](http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,80813,00.html) > > It’s more than a justification for invading, it’s an example of what this crazy fuck is capable of. I don’t want to see what more he can or will do given more time. Well, as you said earlier: > [@](#): > > So, you think we should just leave alone the guy who is running suicide bomber training camps and who is dressing his troops in US and UK uniforms for the express purpose of murdering his citizens and blaming us? Well, that would make the most sense, wouldn’t it? Leaving him alone would undermine both stratagems you mention, since they’re both possible _responses to_ our imminent attack. To join the analogy fray, if you and your neighbor don’t get along, and the crazy fuck lays all sorts of traps for you in his yard, then what should you do? a) Go running up to his door with a knife in your hand; or b) leave him alone. [hijacking my own thread] BTW, WTF is the bit with “homicide bomber” where “suicide bomber” is meant? If I throw a bomb at you that kills you, but I’ve shielded myself from its explosion, I’m a ‘homicide’ bomber, if you will. But if I strap a bomb to my waist, and set it off when I’ve just run up to you, I’m a _suicide_ bomber. In either case, I’ve killed you; in the second instance, I’ve killed myself as well. Fox News is run by illiterates. :mad: [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/110 "2003-03-18T22:36:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by X~Slayer(ALE) \* > When it comes to the safety of the USA, we must defer to the man with the most information and that happens to be President GW Bush. If he is wrong, we can always vote him out of office next year. [MP&HG] You don’t vote for a king. [/MP&HG] Just because that bit of shrubbery has access to more information than I do, doesn’t mean he’s being straight with the American people. There’s absolutely _no_ reason I should substitute his judgment for mine. ---
**Author:** ![X\_Slayer\_ALE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/bbe5ce/32.png) [@X\_Slayer\_ALE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/X_Slayer_ALE)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/111 "2003-03-18T22:42:50Z")
I am not saying he’s being straight with you, **RTFirefly**. Heck, I think he’s holding out on us. That still doesnt matter. What we dont know disqualifies from the decision making. When we do know what GW Shrub knows,then would be the time to dispute him. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E.Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/73ab20/32.png) [@Wile\_E.Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E.Coyote)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/112 "2003-03-18T22:47:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RTFirefly \* > \*\*[MP&HG] > You don’t vote for a king. > [/MP&HG] > > Just because that bit of shrubbery has access to more information than I do, doesn’t mean he’s being straight with the American people. There’s absolutely _no_ reason I should substitute his judgment for mine. \*\* Hm…what do you do for a living? I assume that you are probably good at it, and a professional (adhering to professional standards). I don’t know what you do, but for analogy’s sake, let’s just say that you were a thorasic surgeon. Now, if you were getting ready to open up somebody’s chest and commence open-heart surgery, would you value the opinion of a plumber? He’s intelligent as you are, correct? “Ah, but he hasn’t your years of training”, you say. This would be true. President Bush has surrounded himself with some of the most intelligent, well-versed people in the world. As a member of the military for almost two decades, I have the utmost respect for Colin Powell. All of the other folks who advise President Bush are likewise intelligent, well educated experts in their fields. **where do you get off thinking that an armchair quarterback like yourself has an opinion that’s anywhere near as accurate as theirs?** I’ll tell you what, bub. When my mother-in-law was having her triple bypass, she had a surgeon, not a plumber. And I’m glad that we have experts handling this conflict, instead of the peanut gallery. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/113 "2003-03-18T22:47:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Scylla \* > If your interpretation were correct than we would indeed need to be attacking Canada right now according to the “Bush Doctrine.” Wrong. What I said (sure enough, the link to the OP still works) is that “_[t]hat allows us free rein to attack pretty much anyone_”. What the Bush Doctrine provides is _justification on demand_ for a pre-emptive strike when one is in the mood. > [@](#): > > Since Bush is not saying or taking any of the actions that would follow from your literal semantic interpretation of those quotes in a vacumm, it’s pretty clearly **not** what Bush means. All this means is that he doesn’t _want_ to attack Canada. > [@](#): > > Why pretend at confusion over this issue? Do you not understand what Bush has been saying all along. Surely you can disagree with him, but why pretend his stance is other than what it obvously is? Well, I’m just going by what I heard him say, and read in the transcript. Bush is the ultimate authority on the opinions and beliefs of George Dubya Bush. Bush said it, I believe it, that settles it. ---
**Author:** ![Tejota](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@Tejota](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tejota)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/114 "2003-03-18T22:56:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Demise \* > [Central Command: Iraq ordered U.S., U.K. military uniforms](http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/06/sprj.irq.uniforms/) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON (CNN) – In an effort to blame the United States and United Kingdom for war atrocities, **the U.S. Central Command charged** Thursday that Iraq will dress members of a paramilitary force in uniforms from the two countries while hurting his own people. > > In a written statement, Jim Wilkinson, Central Command’s director of strategic communications, said, “Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has ordered the procurement of military uniforms identical down to the last detail to those of the U.S. and U.K. forces.” So your source is the US central command? You’ll need another cite then, this is hardly a disinterested party. The US central commmand can and **will** use disinformation strategies as part of it’s war effort. The smart money says this is a lie designed to privide them a level of denyability in case they happen to accidently commit an atrocity. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E.Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/73ab20/32.png) [@Wile\_E.Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E.Coyote)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/115 "2003-03-18T23:08:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tejota \* > \*\*So your source is the US central command? You’ll need another cite then, this is hardly a disinterested party. The US central commmand can and **will** use disinformation strategies as part of it’s war effort. > > The smart money says this is a lie designed to privide them a level of denyability in case they happen to accidently commit an atrocity. \*\* As an officer in our armed forces, I personally and professionally take serious offense at that remark. That is not how we operate. If somebody in our armed forces were to commit an atrocity, accidentally or not, we would prosecute him/her in a court martial in accordance with the Law of War and the Geneva Convention. I cannot stress strongly enough, how much training and professionalism we instill in our troops for just such a situation, and your thought is thoroughly repugnant and evil. This is yet another case of an idiot without a clue making judgements on something of which he has absolutely no knowledge whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/116 "2003-03-18T23:11:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > What’s silly about it? Everything, particularly the notion that anyone could possibly think thousands of Arabic-speaking men in American uniforms and shooting Shiite civilians in front of al Jazeera cameras were anything other than Saddamites. Stoopid in the extreme, and a sad commentary on the credulity of the American press and public that anyone could possibly believe it. Speaking of which: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Wile E. Coyote_ > President Bush has surrounded himself with some of the most intelligent, well-versed people in the world. As a member of the military for almost two decades, I have the utmost respect for Colin Powell. All of the other folks who advise President Bush are likewise intelligent, well educated experts in their fields. > > **where do you get off thinking that an armchair quarterback like yourself has an opinion that’s anywhere near as accurate as theirs?** Love it or leave it, commie. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/117 "2003-03-18T23:18:52Z")
**Tejota** if you think the idea that dressing iraqi soldiers in US uniforms and killing civilians for a photo-op is far-fetched then how do you feel about this: Dress up some Iraqi’s in jumpsuits with the words “Baby Milk Plant” (in English) emblazoned on the back. Film them carrying around milk bottles in a half-bombed out “factory” and release the film to news agencies saying the US is bombing plants that bottle milk for babies. ---
**Author:** ![Tejota](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@Tejota](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tejota)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/118 "2003-03-18T23:31:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by X~Slayer(ALE) \* > \*\*I am not saying he’s being straight with you, **RTFirefly**. Heck, I think he’s holding out on us. That still doesnt matter. What we dont know disqualifies from the decision making. When we do know what GW Shrub knows,then would be the time to dispute him. \*\* First of all, Bush doesn’t have the _right_ to withhold his ‘real’ reasons for going to war from the American People. If you posit that he is doing so, then that is all by itself grounds for impeachment. But more importantly, while we can’t know the content of his private briefings. We **can** know a great deal about what they _don’t_ say. Whatever else is in those briefings, if they are factual, then they can’t contradict what _is_ known to be true about Iraq. Furthermore, we can can know that if Bush **is** making wise decisions based on hidden information, those decisions will be consistent with each other and with the hidden information. For instance, if we posit that Saddam aready has nukes, then we can see how this would be a reason to consider him an immediate threat. But at the same time, we would know that Saddam would have the power to completely destroy any mass concentration of US troops in or around Iraq. (i.e. that the cost of this war is going to be far higher than Bush has led us to believe). So, we can rule out the possiblity that Bush has hidden information that Saddam has deliverable WMD in meaningful quanties by the mere fact that Bush is so confident of minimal US casualties. One can proceed to demolish ALL of the supposed justifications for war on the basis of hidden information in a similar fashion. **unless** one presumes that Bush is using his hidden information incompetently. Finally, I should point out that _everyone_ here at the SMDB is smarter than Bush; better read, and more curious about the world and willing to work hard to acquire knowledge than he is. We are _all_ qualified to judge his work, and find it lacking. The evidence for his incompentence is everwhere, all you have to do is stop engaging in wishful thinking and _see_. ---
**Author:** ![Demise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/34f0e0/32.png) [@Demise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Demise)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/119 "2003-03-18T23:33:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > **I [saw it too.](http://www.msnbc.com/news/881770.asp)** I knew I had seen it on MSNBC, but I couldn’t find it again. Thanks **Beagle**. A quote from the article: > [@](#): > > It was the usual creepy military parade through downtown Baghdad. Some of Saddam’s fedayeen (“men of sacrifice”) were dressed in dazzling white uniforms—”the color of a shroud, because we expect to die,” explained a 24-year-old fedayeen leader. More jarring were the fedayeen garbed in the familiar tan camouflage of the United States Army. > [@](#): > > Olentzero said: > \*\*The one about the uniforms seems to be a variation on a press release, citing the only source of the info as Jim Wilkinson, who works for Central Command in Tampa. And he won’t reveal how he knows that information. > \*\* Well, at least you know it’s true now. While the Newsweek article didn’t expound much on it, it pretty clearly stated that Saddam has troops dressed in US Army uniforms. Or maybe the Newsweek correspondent is lying about seeing the fedayeen dressed in US uniforms. Are you, **minty** , and **Tejota** all making that claim? > [@](#): > > RTFirefly said: > **To join the analogy fray, if you and your neighbor don’t get along, and the crazy fuck lays all sorts of traps for you in his yard, then what should you do? > a) Go running up to his door with a knife in your hand; or > b) leave him alone.** I’d rather not join the analogy fray, thanks. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tejota](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@Tejota](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tejota)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2003, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179/120 "2003-03-18T23:34:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KidCharlemagne \* > \*\ ***Tejota** if you think the idea that dressing iraqi soldiers in US uniforms and killing civilians for a photo-op is far-fetched then how do you feel about this: > > Dress up some Iraqi’s in jumpsuits with the words “Baby Milk Plant” (in English) emblazoned on the back. Film them carrying around milk bottles in a half-bombed out “factory” and release the film to news agencies saying the US is bombing plants that bottle milk for babies. \*\* Check your facts dude. It turns out that that _really was_ a milk plant. So why the uniforms in english? I dunno, maybe they were worried about getting bombed? :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bush-doctrine-if-they-could-hurt-us-someday-we-can-pre-emptively-attack-now/162179.md?page=7)