# The Bushiviks Protect America, The Sage Continues... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 3, 2006, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950 "2006-11-03T08:41:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/21 "2006-11-04T11:02:09Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Wow, with our flaccid response to the A.Q. Khan Home Despot Nuclear Technology Distribution Supercenter, our spectator role in the excruciatingly long and loud effort by North Korea to detonate a plutonium bomb, and now this (which I have to give the credit for the best headline to the Huffington Post: “[Bush Admin Posted Nuclear Bomb Building Guide on the Internet](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/)”), one has to wonder if Bush’s intention is not to stop until Barney and Laura are the last ones who don’t know how to build a nuclear bomb. [/QUOTE] _“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”_ -[GWB, August 5, 2004](http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040805-3.html) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/22 "2006-11-04T14:48:31Z")
Gimmee that trout, he’s still breathing… ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/23 "2006-11-04T14:59:24Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Gimmee that trout, he’s still breathing… [/QUOTE] Now, now, perhaps you’re parsleying **Tom** ’s post too clovesly. Even a cinnamon can find redemption. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/24 "2006-11-04T15:40:18Z")
I’m gonna poppy y’all with that trout again, I’ve haddock with those puns. Won’t someone think of the jewfish in the middle east? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/25 "2006-11-04T15:42:25Z")
Oh, stop carping! ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/26 "2006-11-04T17:52:59Z")
Armageddon really tired of these puns! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/27 "2006-11-04T18:00:12Z")
[QUOTE=OttoDaFe] Armageddon really tired of these puns! [/QUOTE] :dubious: Look who’s talking. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/28 "2006-11-04T20:37:29Z")
[QUOTE=EddyTeddyFreddy] :dubious: Look who’s talking. 😉 [/QUOTE] Perhaps, but keep in mind that all I have is chemical fire. And I can only work on a more-or-less retail level. These people, however, are dealing in the _real_ arma-you-know-what. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/29 "2006-11-04T21:34:24Z")
I hate to get all serious, but I think that in a saner world, this would be the point at which incompetence rises to an impeachable offense. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/30 "2006-11-04T22:49:26Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] I hate to get all serious, but I think that in a saner world, this would be the point at which incompetence rises to an impeachable offense. [/QUOTE] Well, once upon a time, we executed the Rosenbergs for spilling such secrets. Maybe America could benefit by a return to the values we held in the past. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2006, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/31 "2006-11-04T23:05:21Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] Well, once upon a time, we executed the Rosenbergs for spilling such secrets. Maybe America could benefit by a return to the values we held in the past. [/QUOTE] Now, that’s a platform I could support. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2006, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/32 "2006-11-05T01:25:04Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] Well, once upon a time, we executed the Rosenbergs for spilling such secrets. Maybe America could benefit by a return to the values we held in the past. [/QUOTE] Let’s hear it for traditional values! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/33 "2006-11-06T11:34:25Z")
I note, after a whole weekend, the complete absense of The Usual Suspects lining up to explain how Bush posting instructions on how to make WMD’s on the internet is: (a) A plan so cunning you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasel. (b) No big deal because everyone knows how to make nukes and sarin gas anyway. © Something we should in all fairness reserve judgement on until someone actually explodes one or gases an American city. (d) Clinton personally published instructions on how to make a 1920’s style death-ray in his autobiography and you liberal commie fag traitors didn’t make a fuss about that. How come - huh, huh? Have we finally reached the point where even those who suck down the Kool-Aid by the gallon can stomach no more? I also not their inability to go the next step and actually condemn him. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/34 "2006-11-06T12:09:55Z")
[QUOTE=tagos] Have we finally reached the point where even those who suck down the Kool-Aid by the gallon can stomach no more? [/QUOTE] Don’t worry - they’re just waiting for Rush to tell them how to think about it. Sometimes it takes a little while, but they’ll scour The Free Republic or Little Green Footballs or some such and will run along to grace us with the meme du jour. Of course, over time their numbers have dwindled, because although it is exceptionally dense, the cloud of cognitive dissonance is not indestructible. Never fear, however. One of The Usual Shitheads will be along to help you out shortly. My wager is on: “Clinton did it.” ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/35 "2006-11-06T15:06:57Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Don’t worry - they’re just waiting for Rush to tell them how to think about it. Sometimes it takes a little while, but they’ll scour The Free Republic or Little Green Footballs or some such and will run along to grace us with the meme du jour. Of course, over time their numbers have dwindled, because although it is exceptionally dense, the cloud of cognitive dissonance is not indestructible. Never fear, however. One of The Usual Shitheads will be along to help you out shortly. My wager is on: “Clinton did it.” [/QUOTE] Actually I think they are holding off until the combination of Diebold and lead in the water hands them another ‘win’ this week. We all know that for some of these people winning is all and vindicates all. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/36 "2006-11-06T15:23:40Z")
[QUOTE=tagos] We all know that for some of these people winning is all and vindicates all. [/QUOTE] Given the hue and cry they’ve raised over many of those so-called leaks of classified information regarding the war, the silence from the right on this one is deafening. They just aren’t serious about protecting America. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/37 "2006-11-06T15:36:58Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] Given the hue and cry they’ve raised over many of those so-called leaks of classified information regarding the war, the silence from the right on this one is deafening. They just aren’t serious about protecting America. [/QUOTE] This question needs answering in realtion to this specifically and Iraq in general. [When Does Incompetence Become a Crime?](http://www.counterpunch.org/patrick11052006.html) > [@](#): > > “When does the incompetence end and the crime begin?” asked an appalled German Chancellor in the First World War when the German army commander said he intended to resume his bloody and doomed assaults on the French fortress city of Verdun. > > The same could be said of the disastrous policies of George Bush and Tony Blair in Iraq. At least 3,000 Iraqis and 100 American soldiers are dying every month. The failure of the US and Britain at every level in Iraq is obvious to all. They need to answer to this also. [War simulation in 1999 pointed out Iraq invasion problems](http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/04/war.games.ap/) > [@](#): > > A series of secret U.S. war games in 1999 showed that an invasion and post-war administration of Iraq would require 400,000 troops, nearly three times the number there now. > > And even then, the games showed, the country still had a chance of dissolving into chaos. > > In the simulation, called Desert Crossing, 70 military, diplomatic and intelligence participants concluded the high troop levels would be needed to keep order, seal borders and take care of other security needs. > > The documents came to light Saturday through a Freedom of Information Act request by George Washington University’s National Security Archive, an independent research institute and library. > > “The conventional wisdom is the U.S. mistake in Iraq was not enough troops,” said Thomas Blanton, the archive’s director. “But the Desert Crossing war game in 1999 suggests we would have ended up with a failed state even with 400,000 troops on the ground.” > > There are about 144,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, down from a peak in January of about 160,000. Lying, murdering scum the lot of them. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/38 "2006-11-06T16:16:55Z")
[QUOTE=tagos] They were warned about suspect material and did nothing to check for or prevent the posting of DIY Armaggedon instructions in a program Bush is personally responsible for? [/QUOTE] At this point, I’m starting to think that Bush never does anything unless someone warns him ahead of time that it could have dire consequences. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/39 "2006-11-06T16:22:54Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] At this point, I’m starting to think that Bush never does anything unless someone warns him ahead of time that it could have dire consequences. [/QUOTE] Occam would agree you have a good point. It’s simpler to believe, given the monstrous ineptitude of Bush in so many areas, that it is intentional. Even a blind pig occasionally finds a truffle as someone has said on these boards recently. But not Captain Calamity. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2006, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950/40 "2006-11-06T18:12:47Z")
I wonder if those nuclear secrets still turn up in a Google Cache? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-bushiviks-protect-america-the-sage-continues/378950.md?page=3)