# The Californias: 3, down from 6 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 13, 2018, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326 "2018-04-13T01:05:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/61 "2018-04-14T19:40:42Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Here’s a crazy man’s plan on what the Democrat’s should do with unified control: [Why Democrats should rig the Senate and pack the Supreme Court.](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/why-democrats-should-rig-the-senate-and-pack-the-supreme-court.html) > > And as for ‘not happening’: given control of Congress - my reading of the Constitution is that if CA wants to split, it just takes Congressional approval (not subject to the veto or the courts - Article IV, section 3: No Republican controlled Congress would ever allow for four more Democratic Senators. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/62 "2018-04-14T19:40:53Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > They make nice wine. Zin. Lodi has a pretty good climate for zinfandel grapes. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/63 "2018-04-15T06:58:59Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Exactly. They don’t want to be part of thum thar librulz. > > They want to run things themselves without understanding that splitting off means they will be a tax sink and the other liberal and coastal counties that currently finance them won’t any more. In the event, they’d just belly up to the federal hog trough with all the other red states, all the while complaining about the federal debt. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/64 "2018-04-15T11:52:03Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > No Republican controlled Congress would ever allow for four more Democratic Senators. Absolutely true - that’s why the plan requires the Democrats to take the House (possible if not probable) and the Senate (much less likely, but more likely lately than I would have thought a couple of months ago) in 2018 . It doesn’t require either the Presidency (which would need 2020) or the courts. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/65 "2018-04-15T12:05:56Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > This Tim Draper dude is at it again. Now he claims he has enough signatures to get his plan [to divide California into 3 separate states](http://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/proposal-to-break-california-into-3-states-could-make-november-ballot/1119478592) onto November’s ballot. > > His layout divides the state by counties, creating a small, narrow state that stretches from about Monterrey to Los Angeles; an expansive state that includes Orange County, San Diego, up to Mono County and across part of the Central Valley; and a third state that includes Sacramento, San Francisco and the rest of Northern California, as far south as Merced. > > His claim is that the current state of California is just too big to be governable. Which, well, I guess you could probably say that about Texas, New York, Florida and maybe several others. I have my doubts about whether this is any kind of an answer to the grumbling. > > What makes me feel like this initiative is doomed on its face is how unilateral it is. If I wanted to present an idea like this, I think it would have to involve citizens working to figure out where the lines should be drawn. Because, quite frankly, Draper’s map looks plainly stupid to me. > > What is the view from the Golden State on this? Once the wall is built, California will have a boarder. Right now, its part of Mexico so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/66 "2018-04-15T14:28:28Z")
And another reason to split the state is heard from. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/67 "2018-04-15T15:45:13Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Once the wall is built, California will have a boarder. Right now, its part of Mexico so to speak. That’s the most ignorant thing I’ve heard anyone say…today. Of course, I haven’t read any Trump tweets this morning. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/68 "2018-04-15T16:02:59Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Once the wall is built, California will have a boarder. Right now, its part of Mexico so to speak. And the boarder doesn’t even pay any rent!! We Californians often refer to our state as _Alta California_, since we all know we’re part of Mexico, so to speak. _Somos mexicanos, amigo!_ ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/69 "2018-04-15T17:32:07Z")
If you want to divide California up by micro-cultures you’ll need a lot more than 6 states, or even 66. Just within the Bay Area, the ambiences change from community to community. Drive from San Jose to Santa Cruz and you’ll think you’re in a different country! Driving down 101 once I stopped for a meal near San Luis Obispo and remember thinking the young woman seated near me didn’t seem like a Central California girl. Sure enough, she came from the “Valley,” a hundred miles away. And speaking of Santa Barbara, my sister lived in Isla Vista way back when, when they _burned down the Bank of America_. :eek: What do I win? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/70 "2018-04-15T17:36:45Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Once the wall is built, California will have a boarder. Right now, its part of Mexico so to speak. That’s awesome. Do you think the military can get to building it soon? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/71 "2018-04-15T18:30:44Z")
The way this administration is going, they will build the big beautiful border wall from Mexicali to Barstow and crow about what a success it is. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/72 "2018-04-15T19:48:14Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The way this administration is going, they will build the big beautiful border wall from Mexicali to Barstow and crow about what a success it is. LOL…for those not keeping score, Mexicali to Barstow is north-south (well, sort of NNW-SSE, but you get the point). And roughly twice the length of California’s border. Should probably be Calexico-Barstow, though…Mexicali is on the Mexican side. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/73 "2018-04-16T21:07:52Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > You would have to split it into an even number of sub-states and make sure that it didn’t affect the national electoral opportunities significantly - and yet, also look to each party like there was an opportunity for their team to grow in national influence - in order for the Federal government to accept the split. > > With an odd number, one party gains in Congress. Not necessarily. Puerto Rico can be admitted to even it out. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/74 "2018-04-16T21:09:00Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I don’t understand if they want to secede from Sacramento County, or what. Who doesn’t? ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/75 "2018-04-17T00:12:59Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > The very fact that people are discussing this really makes me weep for humanity. The same jackholes who ran Brexit are now leaving their slimetrails all over California trying to push this. Not to sound too paranoid, but breaking up California is part of the Russian project strategy to destabilize the west. They may not be funding or directly pushing this, but they sure are interested in the outcome. You didn’t succeed in not sounding too paranoid, though. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/76 "2018-04-17T00:47:32Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > > [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > > > ‘Bakersfield, Gateway to Fresno!’ > > Fresno, gateway to Yosemite, where the bears are trained to eat all out-of-state visitors. The rattlesnakes bite the rest. > Cal Dept. of Tourism. :dubious: I thought [Merced](https://visitmerced.travel/Attractions/yosemite.php)was the gateway to Yosemite… My dad always thought it was funny that Merced wanted to known as the place you turned on your way to somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/77 "2018-04-17T00:57:14Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > :dubious: > I thought [Merced](https://visitmerced.travel/Attractions/yosemite.php)was the gateway to Yosemite… My dad always thought it was funny that Merced wanted to known as **the place you turned on your way to somewhere else.** I used to do deliveries in Merced. That’s all it has going for it. Much like the number one recreational activity in Modesto is getting out of Modesto. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/78 "2018-04-17T01:36:01Z")
Photographic proof that Merced is the gateway to Yosemite: [Gas Station Mural on CA140](https://photos.app.goo.gl/krzKEY14vyvXDn0r1) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/79 "2018-04-17T10:17:39Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Yeah, I had trouble getting my mind around that too. I’m not sure exactly why, either, since it derives from the Spanish, which should make it way-NAY-may, not wy-NEE-mee. Accurate Spanish pronunciation has historically not been a strong suit of Californians. Just ask anyone living in Sanazay or Lusanj’lus. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326/80 "2018-04-17T14:44:28Z")
Nor has it been a strong suit of people living in Nevahda, Colorahdo, New Mejico or Tejas. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-californias-3-down-from-6/812326.md?page=5)