# The Camp Fire Thread -or- Northern Cali Is Like SOOO Hot Right Now **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 8, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216 "2018-11-08T22:17:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/61 "2018-11-16T07:20:14Z")
[Fuck](https://apnews.com/c8c36c0c9e664a90abe812f86a813736): > [@](#): > > At least 63 are now dead from a Northern California wildfire, and officials say they have a missing persons list with 631 names on it in an ever-evolving accounting of the missing after the nation’s deadliest wildfire in a century. > > The high number of missing people probably includes some who fled the blaze and didn’t realize they had been reported missing, Butte County Sheriff Kory Honea said. He added that he was making the list public so people could see if they were on it and let authorities know they were safe. > > “The chaos that we were dealing with was extraordinary,” Honea said of the early crisis hours last week. “Now we’re trying to go back out and make sure that we’re accounting for everyone.” And of course, as I noted earlier, the aftermath’s it’s own tragedy, however slowly it unfolds: > [@](#): > > Some 52,000 people were displaced to shelters, the homes of friends and relatives, to motels — and to a Walmart parking lot and an adjacent field in Chico, a dozen miles away from the ashes. > > At vast shelter parking lot, evacuees from California’s deadliest fire wonder if they still have homes, if their neighbors are still alive — and where they will go when their place of refuge shuts down in a matter of days. > > “It’s cold and scary,” said Lilly Batres, 13, one of the few children there, who fled with her family from the forested town of Magalia and didn’t know whether her home survived. “I feel like people are going to come into our tent.” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/62 "2018-11-16T13:29:13Z")
> [@teela\_brown](#): > > Yes, that whole area west is a giant dense smoke pit. We had plans to vacation in the Sebastopol area next week, but now I’m starting to think we’re going to have to scrap it. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for rain, too, so that no more communities go up in flames. I’m usually down in Monterey County on the weekends, and this time of year is usually pretty quite, but not this year. Lots of refugees from up north. The air is still not great down there\*, but much better than north of SF. \*A half-marathon was canceled last weekend due to unhealthy air quality. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Camp closing for evacuees in Walmart parking lot](https://apnews.com/0bd65b63828344cb96aeb01778868679). Gonna be a whole bunch of people with nowhere else to go, prolly. Starting today, I’m hosting a family of 3 from the area. They are more friends of friends, but I’ve met them sevedfrkal times before so they’re not strangers. I have room, and offered them a stay at least thru Christmas, if they need. I figure it’s the least I can do. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/63 "2018-11-16T13:44:33Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > \*A half-marathon was canceled last weekend due to unhealthy air quality. Many events are being cancelled > **[The North Face® Outdoor Clothing & Gear](https://www.thenorthface.com/en-us)** > > Since 1966, The North Face has been a leader in outdoor performance clothing & gear for hiking, skiing, trail running, camping, and other adventures. > **[Napa Valley Harvest Half Marathon Canceled Due to Smoke from Camp Fire](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/napa-valley-half-marathon-canceled-smoke-bad-air/)** > > Sunday's Napa Valley Harvest half marathon, 5K and 10K races have been canceled because of the poor air quality resulting from the smoke from the Butte County wildfires. > **[Half Marathon turns into party after getting canceled](https://www.montereyherald.com/2018/11/11/half-marathon-turns-into-party-after-getting-canceled/)** > > MONTEREY — The smoke from the devastating wildfires across California forced race officials to cancel the Monterey Bay Half Marathon on Sunday. Still, race participants were able to pick up their T… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/64 "2018-11-16T20:16:22Z")
Yesterday, the air quality in San Francisco was rated the worst in the entire world for major cities. Chico, Oroville, and Paradise were even worse. Here in Citrus Heights, our air has been horrible but today it’s much clearer. I hope it stays this way. At last night’s briefing, the Sheriff said that 9700 single family homes were destroyed. The fire is still only 40% contained. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/65 "2018-11-16T20:40:41Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Starting today, I’m hosting a family of 3 from the area. They are more friends of friends, but I’ve met them sevedfrkal times before so they’re not strangers. I have room, and offered them a stay at least thru Christmas, if they need. I figure it’s the least I can do. Good for you. You’re doing a good thing. The air quality here (near the Delta) is terrible. Schools are cancelled. Everything is cancelled I think. Last I heard Trump is supposed to visit the fire tomorrow. Considering the conditions, I’m thinking he’ll be in the way. On the other hand, maybe he’ll learn something. One can hope. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/66 "2018-11-16T20:51:36Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > At last night’s briefing, the Sheriff said that 9700 single family homes were destroyed. No cite, but I’ve seen it mooted about that there were ~15,000 structures in the fire zone and it is unlikely more than 5% survived( and many of those will probably be effectively write-offs due to smoke damage ). I expect numbers will continue to get worse in every respect. The air conditions in my area today are exceptionally shitty. Which is slightly better than yesterday when they were phenomenally shitty( both days were/are “very unhealthy”, but slight qualitative variations on very unhealthy ). The air quality around Chico in particular has looked borderline apocalyptic - these wildfires may well be killing people before their time even years from now. I was going to recommend the [Purple Air](https://www.purpleair.com/) maps for a more granular view of local air quality, but it appears all the attention is crashing their site and they are now having trouble displaying all the deployed sensors. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2018, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/67 "2018-11-16T23:12:26Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Starting today, I’m hosting a family of 3 from the area. They are more friends of friends, but I’ve met them sevedfrkal times before so they’re not strangers. I have room, and offered them a stay at least thru Christmas, if they need. I figure it’s the least I can do. Good on you, **John**. Big thumbs up, eh. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/68 "2018-11-17T00:20:21Z")
Here’s a list of all CA air quality measuring cities and towns ([AirNow](https://airnow.gov/state/CA/index.cfm)). I was able to go out for a walk this morning in my area - first time in a week. I refuse to complain as the hardships of people directly affected here are much worse. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/69 "2018-11-17T03:48:27Z")
[71 confirmed dead](https://apnews.com/c8c36c0c9e664a90abe812f86a813736). [The number of people listed as missing is now well over 1,000](https://apnews.com/2939bf0a91ea47b1b2b9189f709cdb9c). ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/70 "2018-11-17T04:07:47Z")
This whole thing is just mind-boggling. I sure hope that the increasing number of missing people is caused by duplication of names on lists, but I’m not optimistic. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/71 "2018-11-17T04:30:16Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Good for you. You’re doing a good thing. > > The air quality here (near the Delta) is terrible. Schools are cancelled. Everything is cancelled I think. Last I heard Trump is supposed to visit the fire tomorrow. Considering the conditions, I’m thinking he’ll be in the way. On the other hand, maybe he’ll learn something. One can hope. Back a few years ago when Colorado Springs had fires, Obama came to visit. I understand why presidents and governors want to see things first hand, but I couldn’t help thinking that the local police who helped guard him had far better things they could have been doing, given the circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/72 "2018-11-17T07:34:41Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > This whole thing is just mind-boggling. > > I sure hope that the increasing number of missing people is caused by duplication of names on lists, but I’m not optimistic. ☹ They said that they’ve finally had time to go through and tabulate all of the 911 calls. I think they need to now scrub the list for duplicates, and they are asking people to call and let them know if they have found missing people. The list will hopefully shrink for good reasons, but I expect that there will also be a lot more dead. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/73 "2018-11-17T07:51:37Z")
It’s really terrible what’s going on there but some of the videos are amazing. Undoctored footage of exactly what I would imagine hell or a nuclear Holocaust looking like. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/74 "2018-11-17T17:53:54Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > Back a few years ago when Colorado Springs had fires, Obama came to visit. I understand why presidents and governors want to see things first hand, but I couldn’t help thinking that the local police who helped guard him had far better things they could have been doing, given the circumstances. It’s a no-win situation for whoever is president. Criticism if he visits, criticism if he doesn’t. Got my refuge guests more or less settled in yesterday. They didn’t talk too much about the experience, and I certainly wasn’t going to press them. I figure they’ll tell me what they want or need to tell me at some point. They did mention that they lost “lots” of friends and few relatives. I shudder to think what they are going through. We got their daughter enrolled in the local Catholic school. She was in a Catholic school up north, and fortunately there is a very good one within walking distance of my house. The staff was super-friendly and helpful. They assigned her another girl student as a “buddy”, which I think was a great idea. I had only met the daughter once before, and didn’t know her really at all, but she seems like she’s suffering from shell shock. I left them alone for the weekend and took off the for the coast early today. I was pleasantly surprised to see a normal sunrise instead of the pale, orange one we had here last weekend. The air is noticeably better here today. We’re all coming over here for Thanksgiving next week, so I hope that gives them some sense of peace. The restaurant I had reservations at was gracious enough to expand our table from 4 to 7, even though they were fully booked. I expect the death toll to top 100 in the near future. Ugh. What a disaster. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/75 "2018-11-17T18:49:51Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I expect the death toll to top 100 in the near future. Ugh. What a disaster. The number of missing is more than a thousand. A good many of them were scattered like chaff getting the hell out of there and will turn up when they settle down somewhere and have the time to get in touch with the authorities, but it can’t be all. Who the hell decided to name it the Camp fire anyway? It sounds all too benign. “Let’s go see the camp fire.” Surely there must have been some other geographic point of interest nearby than Camp Hill Road. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2018, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/76 "2018-11-17T18:51:43Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > I was going to recommend the [Purple Air](https://www.purpleair.com/) maps for a more granular view of local air quality, but it appears all the attention is crashing their site and they are now having trouble displaying all the deployed sensors. It’s working now. 176 for the town next to mine, probably better than yesterday. I thought it was fairly clear, until I noticed that a tree maybe a block away was fuzzy. 241 in Sausalito, and 309 closer to the fire. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/77 "2018-11-18T07:42:39Z")
[76 now](https://apnews.com/74cf4da585f6459c82474439ca7a4fe3). ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/78 "2018-11-18T21:01:05Z")
This is a tragic story: > [@](#): > > Iconic Guitar Builder Loses His Home and Workshop to Flames in Paradise: > > Legendary guitar builder Wayne Charvel lost his workshop and home in the Camp Fire. > > Among the homes lost to the still-raging Camp Fire was that of legendary guitar builder Wayne Charvel, who produced guitars for Van Halen, ZZ Top, and Deep Purple. Inventor of the “superstrat” and pioneer of aftermarket guitar modifications, Charvel helped define the flashy look and punchy sound of an entire era of hard rock and metal. His shop was tangible proof of his legacy, filled with one-of-a-kind guitars in progress and vintage and homemade tools. Now, all of it is ash. > > We spoke with Wayne’s son Michael, who runs Wayne Guitars with his father. Michael’s home was also destroyed in the fire, as were the homes of his twin brothers, his sister, and his uncle. Here’s his account of the fire and the implications for what it means for his family going forward. ttps://www.popularmechanics.com/about/a25137713/wayne-charvel-shop-destroyed-paradise-fire/ ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/79 "2018-11-18T21:41:42Z")
At least 76 people are dead. I think a few guitars getting burned doesn’t rise to the level of “tragedy” in this situation. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216/80 "2018-11-18T21:44:28Z")
**California fire: What started as a tiny brush fire became the state’s deadliest wildfire. Here’s how** > **[California fire: What started as a tiny brush fire became the state’s...](https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-camp-fire-tictoc-20181118-story.html)** > > Before there was a spark, there was the wind. It’s sounds like a lot fewer would have been killed if the authorities weren’t so grossly incompetent. First they had a potential disaster 10 years ago which they narrowly missed so they had plenty of time to make plans: [https://weather.com/news/news/2018-11-15-grand-jury-report-fire-risk-paradise/](https://weather.com/news/news/2018-11-15-grand-jury-report-fire-risk-paradise/) Second the first report of fire a few miles away came in at 6:29 am, winds blowing at 52 mph, yet no evacuation order in Paradise until 7:46 am and that only for the eastern part of the town–the rest of the town not notified until an hour later. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-camp-fire-thread-or-northern-cali-is-like-sooo-hot-right-now/824216.md?page=5)