# The Canadope Café, 2014 Edition: In 3-D! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 1, 2014, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612 "2014-01-01T05:07:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/821 "2014-04-04T03:26:06Z")
[Grounds For Violence](http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/special/keyofbart/in-the-key-of-bart-253010521.html) (with apologies to “Sounds of Silence”). I am so there right now. Every day they promise tomorrow will be the start of great weather, and every day is cold, grey, and snowy. ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/822 "2014-04-04T03:35:17Z")
Snow all day here, too. I’ll bet a Krakatoa-size volcano blew up somewhere and all the governments around the world are keeping it secret because we’re in for a year-long winter or two or three. Lucky for them it blew up in Antarctica, so they can keep it secret. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/823 "2014-04-04T04:06:25Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > [Grounds For Violence](http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/special/keyofbart/in-the-key-of-bart-253010521.html) (with apologies to “Sounds of Silence”). I am so there right now. Every day they promise tomorrow will be the start of great weather, and every day is cold, grey, and snowy. That video sums it all up. We’ve had a nice day today, but I don’t think that we’re in the clear yet. Still, it was nice to have a day where it wasn’t cold, grey, and snowy. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/824 "2014-04-04T04:18:01Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > That video sums it all up. > > We’ve had a nice day today, but I don’t think that we’re in the clear yet. Still, it was nice to have a day where it wasn’t cold, grey, and snowy. It was nice in Lethbridge today (we were in town for a job interview for **Dread Pirate Jimbo** - it was a whirlwind tour - in and out in hours!). Then we drove back to cold, grey, hazy Calgary. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/825 "2014-04-04T04:29:58Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > It was nice in Lethbridge today (we were in town for a job interview for **Dread Pirate Jimbo** - it was a whirlwind tour - in and out in hours!). Then we drove back to cold, grey, hazy Calgary. ☹ Good luck to **Jimbo**! He might like to know that I’ve already received a note from one of my golf buddies about playing sometime soon. Should he get the job, and a move to Lethbridge is necessary, he will have plenty of opportunities to play. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/826 "2014-04-04T05:23:07Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > [Grounds For Violence](http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/special/keyofbart/in-the-key-of-bart-253010521.html) (with apologies to “Sounds of Silence”). I am so there right now. Every day they promise tomorrow will be the start of great weather, and every day is cold, grey, and snowy. That is flippin’ brilliant. I’m sending it to family friends in New Zealand. They managed to escape. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/827 "2014-04-04T06:40:15Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I don’t get the obsession with Marc Garneau. He was an astronaut, great. That doesn’t mean he’d make a good Prime Minister. Who would make a better Prime Minister? A former astronaut, or a child of a former Prime Minister? Given that the former Prime Minister was Pierre Trudeau, and I live in the west (which he had great contempt for–remember the one-finger Salmon Arm salute and the NEP), I’d say the astronaut. It’s the name “Trudeau” that makes Albertans wary. Justin may be a good choice, but he is a Trudeau. That name alone, regardless of party, regardless of policy, regardless of whatever, is anathema to Albertans. Because of what his father did. So what will Justin do for Alberta? I think Marc Garneau would have looked at the country as a whole, but I somehow think Justin will repay Quebec (primarily) and Ontario (secondarily). The rest of us will be left sucking hind tit. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/828 "2014-04-04T13:12:35Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > What’s kind of not surprising about the voting suppression issue, I believe the Ottawa/Feds have a responsibility at some point to investigate if any monkey business is taking part at the provincial level that goes unresolved. But nothing has happened yet, and I predict nothing will ever happen, business as usual. Given that the feds are currently trying to enact their own voter suppression through legislation, they wouldn’t exactly have the moral high ground here… ---
**Author:** ![FluffyBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecb155/32.png) [@FluffyBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FluffyBob)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/829 "2014-04-04T13:51:55Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > It was nice in Lethbridge today (we were in town for a job interview for **Dread Pirate Jimbo** - it was a whirlwind tour - in and out in hours!). Then we drove back to cold, grey, hazy Calgary. ☹ Cold, grey, hazy, Calgary! No kidding it is so dingy and smoggy and crappy right now, and road grime galore if you are driving. Where’s my blue sky ?!!! ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/830 "2014-04-04T17:21:07Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Who would make a better Prime Minister? A former astronaut, or a child of a former Prime Minister? > > Given that the former Prime Minister was Pierre Trudeau, and I live in the west (which he had great contempt for The feeling’s mutual. 🙂 > [@](#): > > \ > So what will Justin do for Alberta? I think Marc Garneau would have looked at the country as a whole, but I somehow think Justin will repay Quebec (primarily) and Ontario (secondarily). The rest of us will be left sucking hind tit. I think Justin Trudeau has already told us how he feels about Alberta. ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/831 "2014-04-04T17:24:48Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I think Justin Trudeau has already told us how he feels about Alberta. He has? Then he can’t be all bad. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/832 "2014-04-04T17:50:28Z")
> [@Kenm](#): > > He has? Then he can’t be all bad. Remember [this from 2010?](http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/11/23/justin_trudeau_faces_uproar_for_alleged_antialberta_comments_in_2010_interview.html) > [@](#): > > He was explaining why he believed that Quebec would be stronger within Canada — stronger than it would be in fighting to be a separate country. But to make that point, he slammed Alberta’s dominance of the current Conservative government. > “Canada isn’t doing well right now because it’s Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda. It doesn’t work,” Trudeau said. > When Lagace asked whether Trudeau believed Canada was better off “when there are more Quebecers in charge than Albertans,” Trudeau replied in the affirmative. > “I’m a Liberal, so of course I think so, yes. Certainly when we look at the great prime ministers of the 20th century, those that really stood the test of time, they were MPs from Quebec … This country — Canada — it belongs to us.” I don’t see Justin Trudeau making things better for the West. He still sees Canada as being Ontario and Quebec - we’re just colonies out here. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/833 "2014-04-07T12:10:05Z")
Another poll released in Quebec, again showing the Liberals in the mid-40s, with the PQ and the Coalition tied in the low 20s. Most of the other polls have shown the Liberals in the lead, but not by that much. Outlier, or major shift in the last few days? And, Pauline Marois, looking back in a disastrous campaign, says her worst mistake was talking too much about sovereignty: > **[CBC News - Latest Canada, World, Entertainment and Business News](https://www.cbc.ca/news)** > > The latest news from across Canada and around the world. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/834 "2014-04-07T12:19:07Z")
By the way, I’ve started a thread on the Quebec election over in the Elections forum. ---
**Author:** ![swampspruce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampspruce/32/261_2.png) [@swampspruce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampspruce)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/835 "2014-04-07T16:51:06Z")
> [@FluffyBob](#): > > Cold, grey, hazy, Calgary! No kidding it is so dingy and smoggy and crappy right now, and road grime galore if you are driving. > > Where’s my blue sky ?!!! Up here in Cool Pool.😃 And plus double digits today! Happy Happy Happy! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/836 "2014-04-07T17:27:59Z")
“All we are is dust in the wind…” There was dust blowing in the streets of Regina this weekend! Dust! A sure sign of spring in Saskatchewan. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/837 "2014-04-07T17:31:08Z")
+12 in Ottawa and the windows are cracked open to air the house out. Then a day and a half or rain - so happy but still not thrilled. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/838 "2014-04-07T18:37:44Z")
I love the spring rains - they clean everything up and get everything started growing. Not so keen on them when they cause massive flooding, mind you. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/839 "2014-04-07T19:09:46Z")
Saturday: [140405 Old Highway 17 at Cavers - YouTube](http://youtu.be/3JQwQQJdEGY) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/840 "2014-04-07T20:15:40Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Another poll released in Quebec, again showing the Liberals in the mid-40s, with the PQ and the Coalition tied in the low 20s. Most of the other polls have shown the Liberals in the lead, but not by that much. Outlier, or major shift in the last few days? > > And, Pauline Marois, looking back in a disastrous campaign, says her worst mistake was talking too much about sovereignty If they actually lose this badly we could be seeing the end of the PQ. Not of sovereignty support, but the PQ specifically. I could write five thousand words about this but it goes back to what I feel is one of the most important rules of politics; you must give people an clear and affirmative reason to vote for you. In the case of the PQ we’ve now reached the point where a party that was created for, and exists largely to, separate Quebec from Canada is in a position where _even discussing their central purpose_ is so intensely toxic that it causes massive distrust and loses them an election. That is an impossible position to be in; they cannot discuss separation, but they can’t NOT discuss it because it’s the identity of the party and the reason their core base votes for them. Their only other clear, affirmative raison d’etre is a leftish policy platform - but they’re shot holes in that and Quebecers have other left-learning options now (and are willing to take them, as evidenced by the last federal election.) There isn’t any proactive reason to vote PQ and so the votes are draining away. It is difficult to see where they go from here. Many new parties are vying to replace them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612.md?page=43)