# The Canadope Café, 2014 Edition: In 3-D! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 1, 2014, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612 "2014-01-01T05:07:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1201 "2014-06-11T07:13:09Z")
I’ve been poking around in the PQ post-mortems: posted links to some interesting articles in the [Quebec election thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=718935&page=2). ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1202 "2014-06-11T14:00:53Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I’ve been poking around in the PQ post-mortems: posted links to some interesting articles in the [Quebec election thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=718935&page=2). That’s interesting stuff, and I wonder why Quebec youth are now disassociating themselves with the independence movement: what changed? Could the Internet and social media be educating the new generation to realities not immediately available at the time of the 1995 referendum, for example. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1203 "2014-06-11T16:00:34Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > That’s interesting stuff, and I wonder why Quebec youth are now disassociating themselves with the independence movement: what changed? There’s no grievance to be had. Remember that it is not that long ago, in historical terms, that French Canadians were treated as second class citizens in Canada. We’re not talking about abstractions like Charlottetown or the religious hatred bill, we’re talking about real day-to-day discrimination and significant differences in economic opportunity. The opportunities and treatment afforded Francophones were shitty. The independence movement got a lot of support because of that, and though it was generally no longer true past the early 1970s it remained a source of pain and mistrust. Young Francophones today live in a country where not only is none of that true but it’s not even a comprehensible state of affairs. It’s akin to my father babbling about the price of a movie ticket in 1956, something that might be curious as a historical fact but not of relevance to my life. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1204 "2014-06-11T17:32:00Z")
That’s my thought as well. The PQ (an the provincial Liberals, when they’ve been in power) have done a very good job o eliminating the discrimination and prejudice Québécois suffered in their own province. That has gone far to eliminate the passion that fuelled the separatistes, in my opinion. Who knew that Camille Laurin, the father of Bill 101, would have helped save Canada in the long run? 🙂 The other thing, I think, is the Internet and much greater global mobility. Kids in Quebec now grow up with much greater exposure to English as an international language, so bilingualism has much greater appeal. Couillard played on that when he praised bilingualism during the campaign. Pundits said he was taking a big risk, but he was borne out by the results. ---
**Author:** ![wolfstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d6d6ee/32.png) [@wolfstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfstu)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1205 "2014-06-12T04:14:57Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > That’s my thought as well. The PQ (an the provincial Liberals, when they’ve been in power) have done a very good job o eliminating the discrimination and prejudice Québécois suffered in their own province. That has gone far to eliminate the passion that fuelled the separatistes, in my opinion. Who knew that Camille Laurin, the father of Bill 101, would have helped save Canada in the long run? 🙂 I think this has a role in explaining the success of the NDP (at the expense of the Bloc) in the last federal election. After a couple of decades of the Bloc agitating for Quebec interests, and by and large being responsible, effective parliamentarians, two things had come of it. First, they’d demonstrated that Quebeckers can get what they want _by working within the federal system_. Second, having let sovereignty slip to the back burner and focusing on more traditional issues - the environment, economic policy, social programs, labour, etc., they’d basically become a left-of-centre social democratic party with geographically restricted scope. It seems like people noticed that similarity, and ditched the regional-interest party full of people worried about last generation’s grievances. I’m sure it didn’t hurt that a Quebecker was NDP leader at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dread_pirate_jimbo/32/3897_2.png) [@Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dread_Pirate_Jimbo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1206 "2014-06-12T20:48:19Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > On a not unrelated note, Clone High [might be coming back as a movie](http://io9.com/if-were-lucky-theres-going-to-be-a-clone-high-movie-1588325510). Talk about being killed before it’s time, that hilarious show got just one season. Speaking of shows becoming movies, there’s a Kickstarter right now for [Corner Gas: The Movie](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1776228079/corner-gas-the-movie), which has a week left and has already doubled its original fundraising target. So Dog River, SK will be coming to your local movie theatre around Christmas time. 🙂 Now that’s how to vote your support for Canadian productions with your dollars! ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1207 "2014-06-12T21:10:42Z")
Well, it’s election day in Ontario. I suspect that, once again, when it’s all over, I’ll be able to say, “Don’t blame me; I didn’t vote for them…” ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2014, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1208 "2014-06-12T21:19:56Z")
Just votes - local school, a whole bunch of polls and done and home in 10 minutes. Given everything I just went with the platform I agreed with the most and a pox on all of them. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1209 "2014-06-13T00:07:56Z")
There’s a separate Ontario election thread [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=725734). ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1210 "2014-06-13T13:10:25Z")
[CFL Players Association ratifies the new deal](http://www.leaderpost.com/sports/players+ratify+deal/9935206/story.html), just in time for the opening exhibition game at Taylor Field! ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1211 "2014-06-13T13:17:40Z")
Red Blacks. (Hee hee hee.) Worst team name ever. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1212 "2014-06-13T13:23:59Z")
I feel sorry for Kevin Glenn, who was acquired by the Redblacks in the expansion draft to be their starter, only to be pushed aside when the Redblacks picked up Henry Burris when the Ti-Cats let him go. Didn’t Tom Higgins see Henry let the ball just fly by him in the Grey Cup, then blame the centre instead of hustling his butt after it? Kevin Glenn is by far the classier player, and far more dependable and consistent. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1213 "2014-06-13T13:35:16Z")
Jeez, you have a grudge against Burris or something? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1214 "2014-06-13T13:50:17Z")
Very much so! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1215 "2014-06-14T14:43:28Z")
Right, I’ve been thinking about the recent elections in both Ontario and Quebec, and I think I see a pattern: Canadian voters are by and large moderate, not ideological, and are more tolerant of incompetence trending to corruption than they are of strong ideological positions by parties. Both Hudak and Marois were running on ideological platforms that would change the status quo, against parties dogged with past incompetence/corruption, but were promising more moderate policies and pledging better governance. In both case moderation, even tarred with corruption, won out. ---
**Author:** ![Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dread_pirate_jimbo/32/3897_2.png) [@Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dread_Pirate_Jimbo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1216 "2014-06-14T19:37:25Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Red Blacks. (Hee hee hee.) Worst team name ever. I hate to be the pedant around here, but it’s spelled “REDBLACKS” (or “ROUGEETNOIR” en français). You’re welcome. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1217 "2014-06-15T14:26:48Z")
They’re still looking for their first win in the franchise history: Riders 21 Redblacks 17. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2014, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1218 "2014-06-15T16:18:02Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Right, I’ve been thinking about the recent elections in both Ontario and Quebec, and I think I see a pattern: Canadian voters are by and large moderate, not ideological, and are more tolerant of incompetence trending to corruption than they are of strong ideological positions by parties. I think the perception is that there’s about the same amount of “incompetence trending to corruption” no matter which party you vote for, so that’s not much of a discriminating factor. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1219 "2014-06-17T04:01:55Z")
It’s been about a year since the floods, Albertans, and it seems that rainy season is once again upon us. Stay safe! ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2014, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1220 "2014-06-18T14:55:00Z")
It seems to be the Number One story on the news today - the river levels are rising again, and people are very nervous. It sounds like it’s worse in Medicine Hat and Lethbridge area right now, though, rather than Calgary. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612.md?page=62)