# The Canadope Café, 2014 Edition: In 3-D! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 1, 2014, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612 "2014-01-01T05:07:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 75
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1481 "2014-10-27T02:29:55Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > [https://www.muniscope.ca/research/municipal\_facts/Elections/](https://www.muniscope.ca/research/municipal_facts/Elections/) Ta. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1482 "2014-10-27T02:31:14Z")
> [@LC\_Strawhouse](#): > > Yuck, like we really need to hear this guy describing his bedroom activities. > > Yes, it did seem that way at first impression. However, Billy Bob’s side of the story, described [here](http://www.theteamakers.com/2010/01/30/billy-bob-underestimated-me-ghomeshi/), has the ring of truth to it IMHO. Billy Bob’s side of the story might have a ring of truth to it if Jian had ever asked a question about movies. He did not. He mentioned Thornton’s acting career in the intro, and then asked about music. And he doesn’t have a choice about talking about his bedroom activities if he wants to contest his firing over his bedroom activities. I’m sure he doesn’t want to talk about it any more than you want to hear it. ---
**Author:** ![Savannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Savannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Savannah)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1483 "2014-10-27T02:59:07Z")
I keep thinking Peter Gzowski would have never been in this situation. But then, Peter G. apparently was no saint, either. Keeping my mind open as much as I can. What someone does in their bedroom with another consenting adult or four is none of my business. ---
**Author:** ![Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ce7236/32.png) [@Mona\_Lisa\_Simpson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mona_Lisa_Simpson)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1484 "2014-10-27T03:48:31Z")
I will miss Jian. I don’t listen to Q as much as I used to, but I have always enjoyed the show… agree or disagree his vast musical knowledge brought something to the show that not any interviewer can bring. I think CBC is doing him wrong, an ex with an axe to grind is a bad way to go down. Did CBC make him sign a “morals clause?” If they did not, and he has not committed a crime then I think Ghomeshi may have a case. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1485 "2014-10-27T05:58:00Z")
I don’t watch/listen to CBC, so I’ve never heard of Jian Ghomeshi. However, the fact that he is allegedly suing CBC for $50M in an unlawful dismissal action has piqued my interest. I note that, among other things, he is claiming “punitive damages.” That is a very high bar to achieve in Canada. I will be watching this legal matter with interest. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1486 "2014-10-27T06:38:14Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Jian was great and the Q was one of CBC’s biggest draws. > > Truthfully this is probably an ill thought, ham-fisted, cost cutting measure. The CBC has been gutting content/programming from it’s radio division for a while now (despite radio being far cheaper than TV, has a 3 times larger audience share, etc…)[Sadly we can probably expect more “archive programming” and other types of free air-filler from the CBC instead of new, interesting, relevant, and compelling content. Our public broadcaster isn’t just poor (one can run an excellent public radio system on CBC’s current budget, easy) it’s sick. Sick and lost, and this won’t change until we get competent leaders (with stable vision) for Canada’s corporation. > > In the meantime I want to plug my favourite independent Canadian podcast from a former CBC radio presenter [URL=“[http://canadalandshow.com/](http://canadalandshow.com/)”]Canadaland with Jessie Brown]([The CBC Wants to Cancel Your Favourite Shows | HuffPost News](http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/barry-kiefl/cbc-cuts_b_5317029.html)). He has a few shows on the CBC [from an insider’s perspective](http://canadalandshow.com/podcast/why-wont-cbc-defend-itself). Like the show? Support Canadian entrepreneurship and [become a patron](http://www.patreon.com/canadaland). I’m sure every loonie counts. It seems that Jesse Brown is involved in the story as a freelance reporter. It’s important to note that as a former member of CBC radio Jessie Brown would have background knowledge/gossip about Ghomeshi and his love life. [And in his latest show](http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/4/0/f/40fb37c9a9315ece/Ep.53_-_Why_I_hate_talking_about_Israel.mp3?c_id=7760153&expiration=1414394230&hwt=9616484cb13eec2ba9d9488f7cf7d2ab) he drops hints (02:31) about a major story he’s working on that’s “worst than embarrassing for certain parties” While the Star publishes the allegations: [ > [@](#): > > The three women interviewed by the Star allege that Ghomeshi physically attacked them on dates without consent. They allege he struck them with a closed fist or open hand; bit them; choked them until they almost passed out; covered their nose and mouth so that they had difficulty breathing; and that they were verbally abused during and after sex. > A fourth woman, who worked at CBC, said Ghomeshi told her at work: “I want to hate f— you.” ]([CBC fires Jian Ghomeshi over sex allegations](http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/10/26/cbc_fires_jian_ghomeshi_over_sex_allegations.html))and a disclaimer on why it is doing so:[ > [@](#): > > The reason The Star did not publish a story at that time was because there was no proof the women’s allegations of non-consensual abusive sex were true or false. They were so explosive that to print them would have been irresponsible, and would have fallen far short of the Star’s standards of accuracy and fairness. > In view of Mr. Ghomeshi’s extraordinary statement on Facebook on Sunday evening, and his high public profile in Canada, we now believe it is in the public interest to detail those allegations, which appear to have led directly to his sudden firing from the CBC. ]([Why the Star chose to publish Jian Ghomeshi allegations](http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/10/26/why_the_star_chose_to_publish_jian_ghomeshi_allegations.html#)) ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1487 "2014-10-27T06:51:21Z")
[All I can say for now about Jian](http://canadalandshow.com/podcast/all-i-can-say-now-about-jian) - Canadaland show ---
**Author:** ![EmilyG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emilyg/32/364_2.png) [@EmilyG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmilyG)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1488 "2014-10-27T12:47:01Z")
I came here to post the Star article, but I see **orcenio** has done so already. It’s worth a read if you’re following the story. And thanks for the Canadaland link, **orcenio.** ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1489 "2014-10-27T14:50:50Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > However, the fact that he is allegedly suing CBC for $50M in an unlawful dismissal action has piqued my interest. I note that, among other things, he is claiming “punitive damages.” That is a very high bar to achieve in Canada. > > I will be watching this legal matter with interest. That was my thought as well, **Spoons** : $50 million strikes me as improbably high for a wrongful dismissal suit, and since the CBC in their statement were wonderfully vague about their reasons, I’m having trouble seeing a defamation claim. Will watch with interest to see how it unfolds. ---
**Author:** ![Poysyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Poysyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poysyn)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1490 "2014-10-27T15:06:14Z")
I have trouble believing the CBC would open the,selves up unless they were pretty sure they had their ducks in a row. Even with the brilliant Peter Mansbridge coverage last week, there has been ongoing dicussions about whether or not to do away with them entirely, so one would hope they realize if they badly mishandled this, it could sink them entirely. Jian, on the other hand, has nothing to lose by taking this on. I am tempted to reach out to friends in the media to see what their take is, but I hate it when they do that to me so I’ll fight the urge. Very, very tired today. This weekend was one of those where you wish your work Blackberry would break (with Blackberry it’s always a possibility :)). ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1491 "2014-10-27T17:03:56Z")
Is Ghomeshi replacing Ford? ---
**Author:** ![EmilyG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emilyg/32/364_2.png) [@EmilyG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmilyG)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1492 "2014-10-27T17:27:30Z")
[Thread in Cafe Society](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=738700) about Ghomeshi. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1493 "2014-10-27T18:57:49Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > When Sook-Yin Lee did the porno (Shortbus – a damn good movie) they came close to sacking her, but ultimately didn’t due to support from CBC listeners and from the arts community. > > I hope Ghomeshi gets enough support for CBC to reconsider, for I like his show. Also, being one who has on occasion been in the the BSDM scene myself, it really pisses me off that he is losing his job due to Mrs. Grundy. I find this position - and it’s one seemingly held my many, many people - absolutely baffling. If you for one instant think CBC fired Jian Ghomeshi because he likes BDSM, you have to be insane. They fired him because there is a litany of accusations of assault and sexual harassment piling up against him. Of course \*Jian Ghomeshi \*wants you to think that’s why he was fired, and his press release was crafted that way, though even then he has to allude to the real stated justification for his dismissal: “…as a result of a campaign of false allegations pursued by a jilted ex girlfriend and a freelance writer.” In other words, “yes, I’m being fired because of accusations of sexual assault. But trust me, the bitch is crazy.” No mention of the other three accusers, one of whom claimed he harassed her at CBC, which is grounds for immediate termination in any decent company. We don’t know all the details for sure, of course; Ghomeshi has his story his ardent fans seem to be lapping up, the Toronto Star has a much seedier story, and CBC can’t say anything. Of course, you also have a fourth side, which is his reputation amongst people who know him, which is incidentally incredibly terrible and totally consistent with the Star’s story but is, again, anecdotal. What is for sure is that I do not for one instant believe that CBC fired him solely because he likes rough sex. That is, frankly, an absolutely preposterous idea. They fired his ass because they don’t want to be embarrassed and/or liable when some really serious shit comes out, and it’s already coming out. The workplace sexual harassment claim alone is more than enough to get rid of him, provided they followed all their contractual obligations. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1494 "2014-10-27T22:43:18Z")
Based on what is now coming out, I think you very well may be right. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1495 "2014-10-27T22:54:11Z")
The polls are almost closed… soon we will know. Ford more years, or…? ---
**Author:** ![EmilyG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emilyg/32/364_2.png) [@EmilyG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmilyG)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1496 "2014-10-28T19:01:00Z")
Didn’t Rob Ford still win his seat in whatever it was he was running for? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1497 "2014-10-28T19:14:38Z")
He did, councillor in Ward 2. Doug, who would probably still have a job had he run for council, is now out of one. As amazing as it might be to imagine, Doug Ford would have been far, far worse than Rob. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1498 "2014-10-28T19:32:24Z")
(Home-made) sign spotted in my neighbourhood: “Vote for John Tory - we need a _boring_ city government!” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1499 "2014-10-28T21:15:25Z")
Interesting article in the Washington Post: Ghomeshi is not getting support from the “kink” community: > **[Ousted CBC radio host Jian Ghomeshi faces skepticism from the kink community](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/28/ousted-cbc-radio-host-jian-ghomeshi-faces-skepticism-from-the-kink-community/)** > > Some kinksters say they don't want to be used as a shield to disguise assault. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2014, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612/1500 "2014-10-29T03:12:20Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > (Home-made) sign spotted in my neighbourhood: “Vote for John Tory - we need a _boring_ city government!” 😃 Note that John Tory was Secretary to Bill Davis, whose most noted quote was: “Bland works.” I have hopes for John Tory. Even if he never appears on Jimmy Kimmell, that’s a _good_ thing! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612.md?page=74) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadope-cafe-2014-edition-in-3-d/677612.md?page=76)