# The CanaDoper Café (2012 edition of The great, ongoing Canadian current events and politics thread.) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 1, 2012, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014 "2012-01-01T03:31:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 81
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1602 "2012-09-05T14:46:53Z")
What an asshole! It has long been a source of pride for me that neither side has resorted to violence since the FLQ crisis, however strong the disagreements have been. My condolences to the families and friends of all of the shooting victims from the Metropolis. ---
**Author:** ![swampspruce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampspruce/32/261_2.png) [@swampspruce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampspruce)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1603 "2012-09-05T15:11:41Z")
+1. My condolences to the affected families. It never ceases to amaze me how one nutjob can wreak such utter havoc. According to the news he used an “AK-47”. I wonder how long it’s going to be before howls of protest are set up to re-establish the long gun registry again. I hope not, seeing as legally owning assault rifles is damn near impossible to do as it is, being prohibited weapons. I’m not saying it should be easy, but it’s not that hard to illegally obtain such weapons and a registry isn’t going to change that. @Rickjay: Happen to have the rules for Rickball by any chance? I’m assuming it’s something like Calvinball with more sticks? 😁 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1604 "2012-09-05T16:41:26Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > What an asshole! It has long been a source of pride for me that neither side has resorted to violence since the FLQ crisis, however strong the disagreements have been. > > My condolences to the families and friends of all of the shooting victims from the Metropolis. I wouldn’t want to ascribe this murder/shooting to the federalist side. Or the FLQ murders to the sovereigntist side. But Quebec does seem to have more than its fair share of nutcases willing to resort to violence for a political cause.. I’m thinking of the Montreal Massacre of 1989 as well. ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1605 "2012-09-05T16:56:32Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > I know what you’re talking about, I was hanging out with some french friends after work once. Politics came up and basically said in french Je suis Quebecois. > > And most of them found this hilarious, like no you’re not. Never made that mistake again. There is balance in the universe. I lived in Calgary for 20 years and denied for every moment of it that I was an Albertan. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Doom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Dr\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Doom)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1606 "2012-09-05T17:15:28Z")
How strange. I’ve lived in Ontario my entire life, but am an honourary Newfie (after working closely with several and being accepted into their society). I was also a little proud of myself for being able to engage in light conversation with a cabbie in Paris, in his language (with some difficulty, albeit). I love Canada, inter-regional rivalries/frictions notwithstanding. ---
**Author:** ![EmilyG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emilyg/32/364_2.png) [@EmilyG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmilyG)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1607 "2012-09-05T17:40:41Z")
I’d just like to say, I’ve lived in Montreal all my life and although I don’t agree with most policies of the winning party, I was horrified at the shooting last night. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1608 "2012-09-05T18:27:55Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > What an asshole! It has long been a source of pride for me that neither side has resorted to violence since the FLQ crisis, however strong the disagreements have been. > > My condolences to the families and friends of all of the shooting victims from the Metropolis. What he said. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1609 "2012-09-05T21:06:12Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Are we turning into bloody Northern Ireland of the 70s now?. I think maybe one shooting by a mentally deranged man is not quite at that level. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1610 "2012-09-05T21:58:13Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > What an asshole! It has long been a source of pride for me that neither side has resorted to violence since the FLQ crisis, however strong the disagreements have been. > > My condolences to the families and friends of all of the shooting victims from the Metropolis. I still don’t think either side has. This looks more like the act of a nutter than a representative of a “side”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1611 "2012-09-05T23:16:58Z")
I like how easy it is to find this thread in MPSIMS ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1612 "2012-09-06T05:51:28Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > I still don’t think either side has. This looks more like the act of a nutter than a representative of a “side”. I think “nutter” sums it up. The Globe and Mail has an item on him [at this link](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/montreal-shooting-suspect-sick-but-never-never-violent/article4522497/), and I’ll quote a few paragraphs from the item: > [@](#): > > Past a chained gate and down a rutted dirt road, Mr. Bain – who turns 62 on Saturday – had carved out an isolated life for himself in the backwoods of the Laurentians… > > Mr. Bain had made himself known in the small towns around his home as a man affable in day-to-day social contacts but whose penchant for wearing kilts, stockpiling food and quoting from the Bible raised eyebrows in the community. > > . . . > > La Conception Mayor Maurice Plouffe told Montreal’s 98.5 FM radio that Mr. Bain was demanding but “he has never been someone who made me scared.” Mr. Bain was no “angry anglo,” the mayor added, but always made a point of speaking French in his dealings with town bureaucrats. Overall, the item makes it sound as if he got along well with his neighbours (regardless of politics or language), but he was regarded a little oddly for various reasons. Perhaps his eccentricities finally boiled over. It will be interesting to see how this case develops. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1613 "2012-09-06T13:24:27Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > I think “nutter” sums it up. The Globe and Mail has an item on him [at this link](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/montreal-shooting-suspect-sick-but-never-never-violent/article4522497/), and I’ll quote a few paragraphs from the item: > > Overall, the item makes it sound as if he got along well with his neighbours (regardless of politics or language), but he was regarded a little oddly for various reasons. Perhaps his eccentricities finally boiled over. It will be interesting to see how this case develops. In the same article, they quote someone (unnamed) as saying he had an actual mental condition. > [@](#): > > “He is someone who is sick but never, never violent,” one associate said in a telephone interview, adding that Mr. Bain is “manic depressive.” (Psychiatrists now refer to manic depression as bipolar disorder to distinguish it from clinical, or unipolar, depression, which tends not to include periods of mania.) Obvioulsy this is hardly evidience but assuming it is true - is this a mental condition that can lead to violent outbursts? ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1614 "2012-09-06T19:13:06Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Obvioulsy this is hardly evidience but assuming it is true - is this a mental condition that can lead to violent outbursts? Bipolar is not generally associated with a lot of increased violence. Per my sources, the most common behavioral symptoms associated with manic episodes include pressured speech, hyperverbosity, physical hyperactivity and agitation, decreased need for sleep, hypersexuality, and extravagance (ie, financial, social, and recreational). Less common features can include violence, religiosity, pronounced regression, and catatonia. Impaired insight is a frequent component of the manic state and may impair compliance with medications. However, violence can be tough to predict, even without mental illness diagnoses. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1615 "2012-09-06T20:33:15Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Bipolar is not generally associated with a lot of increased violence. Per my sources, the most common behavioral symptoms associated with manic episodes include pressured speech, hyperverbosity, physical hyperactivity and agitation, decreased need for sleep, hypersexuality, and extravagance (ie, financial, social, and recreational). > > Less common features can include violence, religiosity, pronounced regression, and catatonia. Impaired insight is a frequent component of the manic state and may impair compliance with medications. > > However, violence can be tough to predict, even without mental illness diagnoses. Interesting. Assuming the facts as recorded in the article are true, would it be fair to say that persons with this mental disorder he would be unlikely to be able to sustain a not guilty by reason of insanity defence? I realize this is a totally unfair question, as it would be dependant of course on knowing more of the facts. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1616 "2012-09-06T22:08:07Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Interesting. Assuming the facts as recorded in the article are true, would it be fair to say that persons with this mental disorder he would be unlikely to be able to sustain a not guilty by reason of insanity defence? > > I realize this is a totally unfair question, as it would be dependant of course on knowing more of the facts. I am unfamiliar with the canadian legal definitions regarding insanity. Even in the US, the legal definitions have very little to do with the medical definitions. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1617 "2012-09-07T00:30:09Z")
I think we should nominate \*\*Qadgop \*\*as an honorary Canadian. He lives on Lake Superior after all. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1618 "2012-09-07T01:03:29Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > I think we should nominate \*\*Qadgop \*\*as an honorary Canadian. > > He lives on Lake Superior after all. Sorry, that’s Lake Michigan I live on. My daughter **Elfbabe** is married to a Canadian, and she herself has permanent resident status in Canada. I expect she’ll end up with Canadian citizenship in the future. I love my trips to visit her. Canada’s great. And Montreal is surreal. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1619 "2012-09-07T01:12:23Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Sorry, that’s Lake Michigan I live on. > > My daughter **Elfbabe** is married to a Canadian, and she herself has permanent resident status in Canada. I expect she’ll end up with Canadian citizenship in the future. > > I love my trips to visit her. Canada’s great. And Montreal is surreal. 😃 D’oh! I knew it was one them! Apologies! Eh. ---
**Author:** ![antonio107](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ea924/32.png) [@antonio107](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/antonio107)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1620 "2012-09-07T01:15:10Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > I am unfamiliar with the canadian legal definitions regarding insanity. Even in the US, the legal definitions have very little to do with the medical definitions. Nor does it here, or at least that’s what we learned in 1L crim law. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2012-edition-of-the-great-ongoing-canadian-current-events-and-politics-thread/608014/1621 "2012-09-07T01:29:02Z")
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